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OhioStunter
3/10/2016 3:03 PM
It's an interesting read and an interesting question about mid-major tournaments:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2016/03/10/nca... /
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OUVan
3/10/2016 3:15 PM
Sorry but the tournament is too much fun to do away with. Do you really want to have your fans stop paying attention to your team when it gets eliminated from winning the regular season crown with four games to go? In the last ten years no #1 seed that won the MAC tourney has lost an NCAA game by fewer than 10 points. The only three teams that lost by fewer than 10 points were the three Ohio teams and Miami in 2006. That and it would be significantly harder to get two teams in the dance without the tournament.
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OhioStunter
3/10/2016 3:27 PM
I'd also say if your team was hot enough to win the conference tourney, you are playing well at the right time (better than your reg. season champ?) and on a roll heading into the Big Dance (see Ohio).
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Bobcatbob
3/10/2016 3:34 PM
In a one bid league, I like seeing the champion in the tournament. Rather than worry about interest waning without said tournament, I'm in the camp that thinks the tournament renders the entire regular season moot.

Yeah, yeah, I understand seeding and home court and that stuff. I just don't see working all year for a potential one game advantage in a tournament as compelling.
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Bobcat110
3/10/2016 3:35 PM
I'm ok with that as long as it's applied to majors too. Only conference winner gets into the NCAA tournament. If you can't win your conference then you can't play for #1
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GoCats105
3/10/2016 3:45 PM
Anyone who argues that conference tournaments should go away should ask Kemba Walker how he feels about it.
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Alan Swank
3/10/2016 3:47 PM
Simple solution - they both get in - regular season and tournament champ. If it ends up being one and the same so be it. Most of these leagues are one bid leagues anyway. That would make both the tournament and the regular season mean something.
Last Edited: 3/10/2016 3:47:59 PM by Alan Swank
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OU_Country
3/10/2016 3:53 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Simple solution - they both get in - regular season and tournament champ. If it ends up being one and the same so be it. Most of these leagues are one bid leagues anyway. That would make both the tournament and the regular season mean something.

I've wished for this for a long time. Expand the field to accommodate the number necessary, keep roughly the same number of at-large bids. Add one extra full day. Give #1, #2, maybe #3 and #4 seeds byes on day one.
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OUVan
3/10/2016 4:27 PM
Bobcatbob wrote:expand_more
In a one bid league, I like seeing the champion in the tournament. Rather than worry about interest waning without said tournament, I'm in the camp that thinks the tournament renders the entire regular season moot.

Yeah, yeah, I understand seeding and home court and that stuff. I just don't see working all year for a potential one game advantage in a tournament as compelling.
Since we don't play a round-robin schedule the regular season isn't completely fair anyway.
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Andrew Ruck
3/10/2016 5:38 PM
In regards to the Swank plan...Would that lead to tanking by the regular season champ in the tourney? Why would Akron go hard with their regular rotation and play 3 more games than they need to when they've already punched their ticket? Especially when them losing means the conference gets more representation/publicity/money?
Last Edited: 3/10/2016 5:38:53 PM by Andrew Ruck
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Tyler
3/10/2016 6:13 PM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
In regards to the Swank plan...Would that lead to tanking by the regular season champ in the tourney? Why would Akron go hard with their regular rotation and play 3 more games than they need to when they've already punched their ticket? Especially when them losing means the conference gets more representation/publicity/money?
Better seeding?
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Hooligan
3/10/2016 9:49 PM
The Ivy League just announced today that they will have a conference tourney starting next year.
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Alan Swank
3/11/2016 8:13 AM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
In regards to the Swank plan...Would that lead to tanking by the regular season champ in the tourney? Why would Akron go hard with their regular rotation and play 3 more games than they need to when they've already punched their ticket? Especially when them losing means the conference gets more representation/publicity/money?
I understand what you're saying Andrew but does anyone thing a team would tank games? That is just unfathomable to me.
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Gallia Cat
3/11/2016 9:06 AM
Maybe the league should just go back to protecting the top 2 seeds by guaranteeing the semi-finals. No biggie for the MAC men this year but if the concern is the top seeds getting knocked out early that seems reasonable. The tournaments are too much fun to go away.
Last Edited: 3/11/2016 9:07:44 AM by Gallia Cat
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Scott Woods
3/11/2016 9:25 AM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
In regards to the Swank plan...Would that lead to tanking by the regular season champ in the tourney? Why would Akron go hard with their regular rotation and play 3 more games than they need to when they've already punched their ticket? Especially when them losing means the conference gets more representation/publicity/money?
Do regular season champs in the "bigger" conferences that aren't one-bid leagues tank in the tourney?
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Scott Woods
3/11/2016 9:26 AM
Gallia Cat wrote:expand_more
Maybe the league should just go back to protecting the top 2 seeds by guaranteeing the semi-finals. No biggie for the MAC men this year but if the concern is the top seeds getting knocked out early that seems reasonable. The tournaments are too much fun to go away.
No way. They just fixed that problem this year by getting rid of the double bye.
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Alan Swank
3/11/2016 9:30 AM
Scott Woods wrote:expand_more
Maybe the league should just go back to protecting the top 2 seeds by guaranteeing the semi-finals. No biggie for the MAC men this year but if the concern is the top seeds getting knocked out early that seems reasonable. The tournaments are too much fun to go away.
No way. They just fixed that problem this year by getting rid of the double bye.
You mean triple bye.
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
3/11/2016 9:40 AM
Here's a wacky plan:

Only the top eight teams in the conference make the MAC tournament and play Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. If the regular season champion isn't the tournament champ, the regular season champ plays the tournament champion in a winner-takes-all game on Saturday.
Last Edited: 3/11/2016 9:40:41 AM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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Pataskala
3/11/2016 10:34 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Anyone who argues that conference tournaments should go away should ask Kemba Walker how he feels about it.
Or John Groce. We wouldn't have beaten G-town that year without winning four games in six days in the MAC tourney.
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Scott Woods
3/11/2016 11:19 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Maybe the league should just go back to protecting the top 2 seeds by guaranteeing the semi-finals. No biggie for the MAC men this year but if the concern is the top seeds getting knocked out early that seems reasonable. The tournaments are too much fun to go away.
No way. They just fixed that problem this year by getting rid of the double bye.
You mean triple bye.
Thanks, triple bye.
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OUVan
3/11/2016 11:35 AM
I don't see how anyone could watch the tournament this year and think that we need to get rid of it. The format this year is perfect. All teams should be involved. The regular season champion is rewarded with a banner, a bye and the easiest path to the NCAA tourney. If they can't take care of business in Cleveland they are rewarded with a berth in the NIT. I HATE the idea of getting rid of the tourney or only inviting some. It's a party and all are welcome in my world.
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Only one OHIO
3/11/2016 11:42 AM
I agree with the ones that like the tourney and I'm also glad the MAC did away with the triple byes. The MAC tourney is perfect as it is now.

If they decided to give regular season champs a bid to the NCAA's as well, they obviously would have to add an extra round to the tournament. What about if you when both regular season and conf tournament, you would get a bye to the field of 64? Win only one, then you have to play in an opening round game unless you get an at large bid.
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Alan Swank
3/11/2016 1:15 PM
Only one OHIO wrote:expand_more
I agree with the ones that like the tourney and I'm also glad the MAC did away with the triple byes. The MAC tourney is perfect as it is now.

If they decided to give regular season champs a bid to the NCAA's as well, they obviously would have to add an extra round to the tournament. What about if you when both regular season and conf tournament, you would get a bye to the field of 64? Win only one, then you have to play in an opening round game unless you get an at large bid.
There wouldn't be a need to add a round. There would just be fewer 4th and 5th place league finishers in the NCAA tournament.
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brucecuth
3/11/2016 1:26 PM
No one is giving the slightest consideration to doing away with the MAC Tourney...nothing to see here...move along.
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OhioCatFan
3/11/2016 1:46 PM
brucecuth wrote:expand_more
No one is giving the slightest consideration to doing away with the MAC Tourney...nothing to see here...move along.
Correct. Proof of controversial theory that not everything you see on the internet is true.
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