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Posted: 3/22/2016 11:51 AM
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And how was Burgess not t'd up for decking Treg to the floor in plain view of everyone? I saw it plain as day, he sidestepped towards Setty and swung a forearm intentionally knocking him down. Refs go to the monitor and...just a personal foul. What a joke.
Since the foul was so blatant and the refs spent so little time reviewing the play, my guess is there was no camera shot of this since the foul was away from the ball. Anyone know?
I can confirm that, as from my seat, behind the scorers table, a had a clear view of how far treg was from the guy and he flat decked him, initiating the contact intentionally. I was also able to see what the refs review from the monitor and the angles viewed just didn't show it well.
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Posted: 3/22/2016 1:02 PM
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Hey, what was the atmo-sphere in The Convo when OHIO made it's closing run tonight?

Any noise, anyone get excited?
We're talking about 1500-2000 people actually in seats, but much more noise than many 5-6k crowds that we had earlier in the year.
Official attendence was 3567. Which is correct-1500-2000 or 3567?
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Posted: 3/22/2016 1:19 PM
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And how was Burgess not t'd up for decking Treg to the floor in plain view of everyone? I saw it plain as day, he sidestepped towards Setty and swung a forearm intentionally knocking him down. Refs go to the monitor and...just a personal foul. What a joke.
Since the foul was so blatant and the refs spent so little time reviewing the play, my guess is there was no camera shot of this since the foul was away from the ball. Anyone know?
I can confirm that, as from my seat, behind the scorers table, a had a clear view of how far treg was from the guy and he flat decked him, initiating the contact intentionally. I was also able to see what the refs review from the monitor and the angles viewed just didn't show it well.
Pretty sad that in this day and age the largest human on the floor can take a cheap shot that 2,000 people see and it's not caught on camera.
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Posted: 3/22/2016 1:21 PM
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What's the benefit to ticket sales in the athletic department helping facilitate resale? The only thing the athletic department could and should do to keep the lower bowl filled is to make those seats available on a single game basis. Resale should stay between ticket holders and your sites like Stubhub and VividSeats.
This is true, but it doesn't go far enough. Because they charge a significant seat fee for the privilege of buying those lower bowl seats, simply opening them up would be a very poor business decision, particularly for a department running in the red. Why would I pay my per-seat "donation" on top of tickets for two lower bowl seats if I can quickly and easily buy them individually any time I want? Some of you seem to think that giving up money to maybe have a few more faces on our blurry webcast is worth it. If you want to fill the lower bowl, buy seats there. Being in the house and yelling is supporting the program, but finding ways to undermine revenue streams for the program is not. The Convo didn't sell out once this year. I made five games but rarely give my tickets away because I want more people putting money into the program. I don't feel one bit bad that they sat empty most nights.
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Posted: 3/22/2016 1:41 PM
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Hey, what was the atmo-sphere in The Convo when OHIO made it's closing run tonight?

Any noise, anyone get excited?
We're talking about 1500-2000 people actually in seats, but much more noise than many 5-6k crowds that we had earlier in the year.
Official attendence was 3567. Which is correct-1500-2000 or 3567?
Official attendance is much more accurate. Not only was the crowd clearly bigger than 1500-2000 but with these games the # of tickets sold is MUCH more accurate to butts in seats, if not almost completely accurate, than games with season ticket purchasers who don't show.
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Posted: 3/22/2016 1:41 PM
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And how was Burgess not t'd up for decking Treg to the floor in plain view of everyone? I saw it plain as day, he sidestepped towards Setty and swung a forearm intentionally knocking him down. Refs go to the monitor and...just a personal foul. What a joke.
Since the foul was so blatant and the refs spent so little time reviewing the play, my guess is there was no camera shot of this since the foul was away from the ball. Anyone know?
I can confirm that, as from my seat, behind the scorers table, a had a clear view of how far treg was from the guy and he flat decked him, initiating the contact intentionally. I was also able to see what the refs review from the monitor and the angles viewed just didn't show it well.
Pretty sad that in this day and age the largest human on the floor can take a cheap shot that 2,000 people see and it's not caught on camera.
2,000 people or 3,567? :)
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Posted: 3/22/2016 1:45 PM
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And how was Burgess not t'd up for decking Treg to the floor in plain view of everyone? I saw it plain as day, he sidestepped towards Setty and swung a forearm intentionally knocking him down. Refs go to the monitor and...just a personal foul. What a joke.
Since the foul was so blatant and the refs spent so little time reviewing the play, my guess is there was no camera shot of this since the foul was away from the ball. Anyone know?
I can confirm that, as from my seat, behind the scorers table, a had a clear view of how far treg was from the guy and he flat decked him, initiating the contact intentionally. I was also able to see what the refs review from the monitor and the angles viewed just didn't show it well.
Pretty sad that in this day and age the largest human on the floor can take a cheap shot that 2,000 people see and it's not caught on camera.
2,000 people or 3,567? :)

3570+ :) (I'm guessing the Women hoopsters having fun sitting behind the basket weren't required to purchase tickets. It's nice to see them supporting the Men just as Jordy, Gavin, Treg, Tony, Drew, Jarron and others have been regularly in the RoundHouse supporting the Women.)
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Posted: 3/22/2016 2:02 PM
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What's the benefit to ticket sales in the athletic department helping facilitate resale? The only thing the athletic department could and should do to keep the lower bowl filled is to make those seats available on a single game basis. Resale should stay between ticket holders and your sites like Stubhub and VividSeats.
This is true, but it doesn't go far enough. Because they charge a significant seat fee for the privilege of buying those lower bowl seats, simply opening them up would be a very poor business decision, particularly for a department running in the red. Why would I pay my per-seat "donation" on top of tickets for two lower bowl seats if I can quickly and easily buy them individually any time I want? Some of you seem to think that giving up money to maybe have a few more faces on our blurry webcast is worth it. If you want to fill the lower bowl, buy seats there. Being in the house and yelling is supporting the program, but finding ways to undermine revenue streams for the program is not. The Convo didn't sell out once this year. I made five games but rarely give my tickets away because I want more people putting money into the program. I don't feel one bit bad that they sat empty most nights.

There has to be a solution that's somewhere in between the two. I hear both points of view loud and clear. I just want that lower bowl filled as much as possible because it's a better atmosphere, and an edge for the players.
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Posted: 3/22/2016 2:25 PM
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What's the benefit to ticket sales in the athletic department helping facilitate resale? The only thing the athletic department could and should do to keep the lower bowl filled is to make those seats available on a single game basis. Resale should stay between ticket holders and your sites like Stubhub and VividSeats.
This is true, but it doesn't go far enough. Because they charge a significant seat fee for the privilege of buying those lower bowl seats, simply opening them up would be a very poor business decision, particularly for a department running in the red. Why would I pay my per-seat "donation" on top of tickets for two lower bowl seats if I can quickly and easily buy them individually any time I want? Some of you seem to think that giving up money to maybe have a few more faces on our blurry webcast is worth it. If you want to fill the lower bowl, buy seats there. Being in the house and yelling is supporting the program, but finding ways to undermine revenue streams for the program is not. The Convo didn't sell out once this year. I made five games but rarely give my tickets away because I want more people putting money into the program. I don't feel one bit bad that they sat empty most nights.

There has to be a solution that's somewhere in between the two. I hear both points of view loud and clear. I just want that lower bowl filled as much as possible because it's a better atmosphere, and an edge for the players.
Yes, it's called pricing accordingly. Charge $30-$50 for a single game ticket in the lower bowl. The season ticket is still the far better deal.
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Posted: 3/22/2016 2:30 PM
you can NOT honestly tell me you think there were 3000+ in that building last night. If there were 3570+ tickets sold, that's great and I hope we are maximizing revenue, but please. I can't EVEN!! The student bleachers were about 1/4 full (lame) and we only had half the normal pep band. and there weren't many people behind them. The old people side was nice and full in the bleachers and lower bowl and probably looked nice on the video, If the Athletic department really thought 3500 people were going to show, there's no way they only open 1 concession stand. Yes, I wish everyone with a ticket actually went to the game, but that just didn't happen yesterday. a Completely full bleacher set on both sides and lower bowl might be 3000 people. Maybe. and we did not have that.
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Posted: 3/22/2016 3:57 PM
shabamon wrote:expand_more
What's the benefit to ticket sales in the athletic department helping facilitate resale? The only thing the athletic department could and should do to keep the lower bowl filled is to make those seats available on a single game basis. Resale should stay between ticket holders and your sites like Stubhub and VividSeats.
This is true, but it doesn't go far enough. Because they charge a significant seat fee for the privilege of buying those lower bowl seats, simply opening them up would be a very poor business decision, particularly for a department running in the red. Why would I pay my per-seat "donation" on top of tickets for two lower bowl seats if I can quickly and easily buy them individually any time I want? Some of you seem to think that giving up money to maybe have a few more faces on our blurry webcast is worth it. If you want to fill the lower bowl, buy seats there. Being in the house and yelling is supporting the program, but finding ways to undermine revenue streams for the program is not. The Convo didn't sell out once this year. I made five games but rarely give my tickets away because I want more people putting money into the program. I don't feel one bit bad that they sat empty most nights.

There has to be a solution that's somewhere in between the two. I hear both points of view loud and clear. I just want that lower bowl filled as much as possible because it's a better atmosphere, and an edge for the players.
Yes, it's called pricing accordingly. Charge $30-$50 for a single game ticket in the lower bowl. The season ticket is still the far better deal.
You wouldn't hear me argue with you on that. If we can charge $40 for a homecoming ticket, $40+ for a seat close to the floor should be doable.

What about the season ticket holders that can't/don't come to some games? (note, this would really only apply to those lower level seats)
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Posted: 3/22/2016 4:26 PM
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you can NOT honestly tell me you think there were 3000+ in that building last night. If there were 3570+ tickets sold, that's great and I hope we are maximizing revenue, but please. I can't EVEN!! The student bleachers were about 1/4 full (lame) and we only had half the normal pep band. and there weren't many people behind them. The old people side was nice and full in the bleachers and lower bowl and probably looked nice on the video, If the Athletic department really thought 3500 people were going to show, there's no way they only open 1 concession stand. Yes, I wish everyone with a ticket actually went to the game, but that just didn't happen yesterday. a Completely full bleacher set on both sides and lower bowl might be 3000 people. Maybe. and we did not have that.
Well, I don't know the official section capacity numbers but if you're correct then you're saying the upper bowl holds 10,000. I don't see it. My guess is that the upper bowl holds closer to 8,000 and the lower bowl plus bleachers holds 5,000. I can't believe there were too many passionate donors who went out of their way to buy a ticket or tickets for this game when they had no intention of showing up. Are you saying 3567 is a completely made up number? And the the Athletic Department may not have prepared for that number so only prepared one concession stand and there were more walk-ups than they expected? Seems reasonable. My guess is that MANY locals did not bother pre-ordering.
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Posted: 3/22/2016 4:43 PM
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And how was Burgess not t'd up for decking Treg to the floor in plain view of everyone? I saw it plain as day, he sidestepped towards Setty and swung a forearm intentionally knocking him down. Refs go to the monitor and...just a personal foul. What a joke.
Since the foul was so blatant and the refs spent so little time reviewing the play, my guess is there was no camera shot of this since the foul was away from the ball. Anyone know?
I can confirm that, as from my seat, behind the scorers table, a had a clear view of how far treg was from the guy and he flat decked him, initiating the contact intentionally. I was also able to see what the refs review from the monitor and the angles viewed just didn't show it well.
Pretty sad that in this day and age the largest human on the floor can take a cheap shot that 2,000 people see and it's not caught on camera.
2,000 people or 3,567? :)
You and I both know 1567 people were looking at their phones the whole game and missed the cheap shot.
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Posted: 3/22/2016 5:52 PM
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Hey, what was the atmo-sphere in The Convo when OHIO made it's closing run tonight?

Any noise, anyone get excited?
We're talking about 1500-2000 people actually in seats, but much more noise than many 5-6k crowds that we had earlier in the year.
Official attendence was 3567. Which is correct-1500-2000 or 3567?
Official attendance is much more accurate. Not only was the crowd clearly bigger than 1500-2000 but with these games the # of tickets sold is MUCH more accurate to butts in seats, if not almost completely accurate, than games with season ticket purchasers who don't show.
I was kind of surprised to read the response as I would have thought the number of tix sold had to be close to the number of folks who show up in this format. Saying there were only 1500 of the 3500 tix sold showed up is VERY surprising. Regardless, the sound coming through the computer was very loud and much moreso than a regualr season game. Plenty of folks standing and hollering at the Stellar MAC referees...Buddy Mayborg and McJunkins really got some fans up and barking from the views I saw on the computer. They were pretty terrible.
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Posted: 3/22/2016 6:19 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
Hey, what was the atmo-sphere in The Convo when OHIO made it's closing run tonight?

Any noise, anyone get excited?
We're talking about 1500-2000 people actually in seats, but much more noise than many 5-6k crowds that we had earlier in the year.
Official attendence was 3567. Which is correct-1500-2000 or 3567?
Official attendance is much more accurate. Not only was the crowd clearly bigger than 1500-2000 but with these games the # of tickets sold is MUCH more accurate to butts in seats, if not almost completely accurate, than games with season ticket purchasers who don't show.
I was kind of surprised to read the response as I would have thought the number of tix sold had to be close to the number of folks who show up in this format. Saying there were only 1500 of the 3500 tix sold showed up is VERY surprising. Regardless, the sound coming through the computer was very loud and much moreso than a regualr season game. Plenty of folks standing and hollering at the Stellar MAC referees...Buddy Mayborg and McJunkins really got some fans up and barking from the views I saw on the computer. They were pretty terrible.
Were they really MAC refs? I don't know. Honestly asking. They were bad. Even through my pixelated cell phone screen I could see fouls being committed by the Bobcats that were not called.
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Posted: 3/22/2016 8:41 PM
DCF, I try to be honest abt the attendance figures. Imo, I think the crowd was larger than you are allowing.
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Posted: 3/22/2016 9:51 PM
Once you turn the lights on, whether you have 1300 or 13000 does not matter. You might as well get as many in the seats that you can. If you bought season tickets, think of it as a donation. Don't worry about other people buying last minute and sitting in the lower bowl. Let's face it: this is an also ran tourney. Not many get excited about saying "we're number 70". Finals must be coming up soon. Are you going out of your way to attend these games?
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Posted: 3/22/2016 10:59 PM
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Are you going out of your way to attend these games?
Yes. Drove down and back from Cleveland yesterday and had a great time. Back again tomorrow. Yes, it's a second-rate tourney, but if you saw the guys walk off the floor last night excited about their comeback and if you heard Jaaron on the post game, you'd know that playing it is worth it.
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Posted: 3/22/2016 11:03 PM
that's funny..."we're no. 70"

That would be assuming the 68 in the NCAA are the best 68. They are not. Not by a long shot. It's a dysfunctional system.
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Posted: 3/22/2016 11:16 PM
If we're going to do away with the CBI and CIT we should also do away with the 3rd, 4th, and 5th bowl games the MAC plays in.
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Posted: 3/22/2016 11:38 PM
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Are you going out of your way to attend these games?
Nope - Going the way I always do - down and back from Columbus....
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Posted: 3/22/2016 11:40 PM
I am in the appx 3.5K attendance camp - maybe closer to 3K. No way capacity is 4 times the crowd that was there.
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Posted: 3/22/2016 11:40 PM
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you can NOT honestly tell me you think there were 3000+ in that building last night. If there were 3570+ tickets sold, that's great and I hope we are maximizing revenue, but please. I can't EVEN!! The student bleachers were about 1/4 full (lame) and we only had half the normal pep band. and there weren't many people behind them. The old people side was nice and full in the bleachers and lower bowl and probably looked nice on the video, If the Athletic department really thought 3500 people were going to show, there's no way they only open 1 concession stand. Yes, I wish everyone with a ticket actually went to the game, but that just didn't happen yesterday. a Completely full bleacher set on both sides and lower bowl might be 3000 people. Maybe. and we did not have that.
Well, I don't know the official section capacity numbers but if you're correct then you're saying the upper bowl holds 10,000. I don't see it. My guess is that the upper bowl holds closer to 8,000 and the lower bowl plus bleachers holds 5,000. I can't believe there were too many passionate donors who went out of their way to buy a ticket or tickets for this game when they had no intention of showing up. Are you saying 3567 is a completely made up number? And the the Athletic Department may not have prepared for that number so only prepared one concession stand and there were more walk-ups than they expected? Seems reasonable. My guess is that MANY locals did not bother pre-ordering.
I would bet that the upper bowl is absolutely close to 10k of the seats and the lower bowl plus bleachers accounts for about 3k or even a little less, but I did a little math to be sure. I counted the seats in one of the biggest lower bowl sections, section 101, which has 133 seats. If every lower bowl section (20 of them) all had that many seats, then that's 2660. We know that not every section is that big (e.g. section 120 is around 80-90 seats) so reality is probably anywhere from 2100-2400 in the lower bowl. There are 8 sections on the floor, 4 chairback and 4 bleachers. there are 77 seats per chairback section. if you assume the bleachers are about the same capacity, it's 77*8 for a total of 616. At the MOST, spectator seats below the concourse is 3200. It's probably closer to... 2800-3000.



Again, for as small as it was, it was a nicely engaged crowd last night that made a lot of noise, and I had a blast watching us come back to win. I'm a little shocked that out of 20k students, we got like 150 to come to the game last night as spectators. If we're talking numbers, though, yours don't add up. I don't know if the number is "made up". Did we run a promotion or get a sponsor to pick up 500-1000 tickets at a group rate? Don't know, but I stand by my original estimate.
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Posted: 3/22/2016 11:56 PM
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I would bet that the upper bowl is absolutely close to 10k of the seats and the lower bowl plus bleachers accounts for about 3k or even a little less, but I did a little math to be sure. I counted the seats in one of the biggest lower bowl sections, section 101, which has 133 seats. If every lower bowl section (20 of them) all had that many seats, then that's 2660. We know that not every section is that big (e.g. section 120 is around 80-90 seats) so reality is probably anywhere from 2100-2400 in the lower bowl. There are 8 sections on the floor, 4 chairback and 4 bleachers. there are 77 seats per chairback section. if you assume the bleachers are about the same capacity, it's 77*8 for a total of 616. At the MOST, spectator seats below the concourse is 3200. It's probably closer to... 2800-3000.



Again, for as small as it was, it was a nicely engaged crowd last night that made a lot of noise, and I had a blast watching us come back to win. I'm a little shocked that out of 20k students, we got like 150 to come to the game last night as spectators. If we're talking numbers, though, yours don't add up. I don't know if the number is "made up". Did we run a promotion or get a sponsor to pick up 500-1000 tickets at a group rate? Don't know, but I stand by my original estimate.
that's an argument Alan can be proud to support ;)
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Posted: 3/23/2016 6:12 AM
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Were they really MAC refs? I don't know. Honestly asking. They were bad. Even through my pixelated cell phone screen I could see fouls being committed by the Bobcats that were not called.

The two borna mentioned are certainly regulars. The were certainly in pre-season form, but at least seemed to be be relatively evenly awful for each side. The third guy, I don't remember seeing in the Convo.

Thankfully Bo Boroski was busy.
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