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Topic: Is Russ Eisenstein leaving?
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Diamond Cat
3/24/2016 6:50 PM
Danny's Knee -- You and the boyz need to go under cover and find out what is up with Russ in A-town!

We have to start a petition to keep him here if there is reason to believe he is leaving. I'll jump in for support in any way I can. He and Rob have been the "voice" for many of us who can't always be there.

BANG! Oh baby what some big time detective work about to me done by Danny's Knee!
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BuddyLee
3/24/2016 6:58 PM
Did Carbone get paid under the table or something cause that salary makes no sense.
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Alan Swank
3/24/2016 7:49 PM
If it's in such poor taste why did you post them again? You want me to post my salary and you won't even post your name?
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Gallia Cat
3/24/2016 8:20 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
If it's in such poor taste why did you post them again? You want me to post my salary and you won't even post your name?
Me having a screen name has at zero to do with it. I don't make controversial post and then hide behind it. Many know exactly who I am. Besides I would never post people salaries especially those of support staff. If it makes you feel better to say I posted them by quoting you then whatever. I still think it was tacky.
Last Edited: 3/24/2016 8:22:18 PM by Gallia Cat
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Danny's Knee
3/24/2016 8:41 PM
Diamond Cat wrote:expand_more
Danny's Knee -- You and the boyz need to go under cover and find out what is up with Russ in A-town!

We have to start a petition to keep him here if there is reason to believe he is leaving. I'll jump in for support in any way I can. He and Rob have been the "voice" for many of us who can't always be there.

BANG! Oh baby what some big time detective work about to me done by Danny's Knee!
BANG !! .. I think this might just be happenin' so RUSS knows how much we enjoy his broadcasts !!

BOOK IT !! .. RUSS does a fantastic job !!

he just wants us to jump on the RUSS BUS !! .. BANG !! .. Oh BABY what a BIG TIME ride to buckle up and enjoy !!

BANG !!
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BillyTheCat
3/24/2016 10:03 PM
Actually posting the support staff shows how under valued these people are, the young ones and those who have made OHIO a carre are way under valued, especially when you consider most of them have advanced degrees. Then take the size of staff and compare to our peer institutions.
Last Edited: 3/24/2016 10:20:38 PM by BillyTheCat
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RSBobcat
3/24/2016 10:12 PM
Gallia Cat wrote:expand_more
If it's in such poor taste why did you post them again? You want me to post my salary and you won't even post your name?
Me having a screen name has at zero to do with it. I don't make controversial post and then hide behind it. Many know exactly who I am. Besides I would never post people salaries especially those of support staff. If it makes you feel better to say I posted them by quoting you then whatever. I still think it was tacky.
It's public information - jeesh. Nobody was "forced" to take these positions......

What's tacky is what some of the salaries are. If you are concerned they are low then use the public information as inspiration to take some action and try to have something done about it.
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Andrew Ruck
3/25/2016 7:36 AM
Yeah, you know I love you GC but I don't think posting public records is anything to be called out for. State employees are largely funded by our taxes, and I'm glad we live in a land where there is transparency for what these dollars are spent on.
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Gallia Cat
3/25/2016 9:46 AM
The support staff are the exact ones I am referring to! Again I know it's public information. But how may of us have actually taken the time to go look up every last Tom Dick and Harry's salary in the department regardless of their position? I now know of at least one. I have better things to do. Some of the support staff work their tails off during the day and still show up at night to cheer on the teams they work all day to support. Don't kid yourself either, it's a job! Also some of these folks do check in on this board and then to see a complete listing of their salaries? I'm just saying was it really necessary?
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Alan Swank
3/25/2016 10:35 AM
It appears that the chart that was cut and pasted in it's entirety from a wordpress article that I found in a continuing discussion of what Andrew brought up about remembering that Russ' salary wasn't huge, caused some very strong feelings and perhaps hurt to some members of the department staff. That was the last thing on my mind when I posted it and for any hurt I caused, I am truly sorry. We all make mistakes and that was a bad one.

As for taking the time to look up every individual, I did not do that and am a bit offended by the poster who says I did. To be honest, it gets a little old knowing that your posts are going to be blasted for who you are not what you say. I like this site because there are generally good discussions on a variety of topics in addition to OU sports. I don't agree with some of the things posted on here and have had my mind changed by other postings. That's what intelligent discourse is all about and unfortunately it is lacking in our world today - just look at the so called "political campaigns."

Anyway, I deleted the whole file of 2011 - 2012 salaries and I hope whomever I offended or made mad in the department will except this as an apology from the heart.
Last Edited: 3/25/2016 10:37:21 AM by Alan Swank
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GroverBall
3/25/2016 11:13 AM
GC -- Following on the points made here, wouldn't it be a good idea to delete your post above that reproduces the list?
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Gallia Cat
3/25/2016 1:05 PM
GroverBall wrote:expand_more
GC -- Following on the points made here, wouldn't it be a good idea to delete your post above that reproduces the list?
Good call! Just did it!
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Monroe Slavin
3/25/2016 2:54 PM
Disavowing publicly available information...Is that really the way that we want to go?
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Alan Swank
3/25/2016 3:43 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Disavowing publicly available information...Is that really the way that we want to go?
No Monroe, it is not. However, in this case the revelation of publicly available information (what Russ makes) combined with information that had no relevance to the discussion at hand, resulted in the unnecessary release of public personal information. Had we been discussing salaries in athletics in general, then perhaps such information would be important to the discussion. In this case it was not and the full file should not have been copied and pasted into the posting window.
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ts1227
3/25/2016 7:42 PM
We're really making a mountain out of a molehill here. If you work for a public university, your salary is record that can be accessed with minimal effort and spread about, it's just how it works. I don't know why one would be upset.

It took me approximately 5 seconds to pull it from the Buckeye Institute site anyway.
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OhioCatFan
3/25/2016 9:52 PM
This not an issue. I usually agreed with GC, but in this case I don't. Working for a public university or for a government entity makes your salary a matter of public record. I lived with this understanding for more than 30 years. There were times that I wished various folks in the general public or in other parts of the University not know what I made, but that was something I had to accept since I was feeding at the public trough.
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OhioCatFan
3/25/2016 10:47 PM
Just checked the following site, which I believe is the one referenced earlier in this thread. The data seems to be very dated.

www.buckeyeinstitute.org

If you want up-to-date information, I believe you can still check out for in-library use a printout of all university employees salaries at the reference desk in Alden Library.
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BillyTheCat
3/25/2016 11:18 PM
Buckeye Institute was created for the proponents of SB5 to show how much public employees were making as a way to win support for bringing them down. Once that fight was over the site quickly lost interest in keeping their own data current
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Monroe Slavin
3/26/2016 2:30 AM
The FOIA act has been beneficial to the public.

Both ..all..sides of the political spectrum have benefited from it.

I'd bet that the biggest gripe about is the reluctance of some public officials to comply with it.
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ts1227
3/27/2016 8:47 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Buckeye Institute was created for the proponents of SB5 to show how much public employees were making as a way to win support for bringing them down. Once that fight was over the site quickly lost interest in keeping their own data current
They seem to keep up with public school teacher data still, which makes sense because it was the basis of their argument. The college information has always been lackluster, but it's still a good general overview. Most numbers haven't changed a ton from what is listed.
Last Edited: 3/27/2016 8:47:44 PM by ts1227
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HeHateMiami
3/27/2016 11:11 PM
You guys kill me. Damnit Alan, I can't believe you had the gall to make public information public!... more public?

In a more serious response, I'll echo what many have said. If/when Russ leaves, I'll feel as badly for us as I'll feel great for him. Russ deserves all of the success in the world. I'll go Shawshank Redemption for a good quote that I think fits:

"I have to remind myself that some birds aren't meant to be caged. Their feathers are just too bright. And when they fly away, the part of you that knows it was a sin to lock them up does rejoice. Still, the place you live in is that much more drab and empty that they're gone. I guess I just miss my friend."

One silver lining though, I am looking forward to the "TOS to..." post title that someone comes up with.
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Bobcatbob
3/28/2016 1:13 PM
Monroe Slavin wrote:expand_more
Both ..all..sides of the political spectrum have benefited from it.

I'd bet that the biggest gripe about is the reluctance of some public officials to comply with it.
Double edged sword and I've seen it from both sides.

FOIA has been used as a weapon by and for certain societal and business interests because there are few limits on its use.

It isn't that public officials are reluctant to comply with the spirit of the Act but that compliance can be an extremely tedious and expensive task when (see above).
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OUcats82
3/28/2016 1:37 PM
I am sure that we will find out in time what the future holds for Russ and Rob.

That being said, if you could hand pick a former Bobcat great to join the radio booth, who would it be?
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perimeterpost
3/28/2016 1:48 PM
There's a Seinfeld episode where George is dating a girl who would be out of his league if she didn't have an extremely large nose. After she makes a comment that NYC has so many beautiful women that its kind of intimidating Kramer says to her "you're as pretty as they are, you just need a nose job".

Kramer calls out the issue that everyone knows, it's literally as clear as the nose on her face, but nobody says it because they are afraid of offending her.

Posting the salaries of employees on a message board might be excused the way Kramer sees it by saying that its out there, we all know it, and his intentions were good not bad, but others may see it like George, Elaine and Jerry did as being unnecessary and in poor taste. In this instance I am in the George/Elaine/Jerry camp.
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Danny's Knee
3/28/2016 2:33 PM
OUcats82 wrote:expand_more
I am sure that we will find out in time what the future holds for Russ and Rob.

That being said, if you could hand pick a former Bobcat great to join the radio booth, who would it be?
oh, you know .. just any former player with zero broadcasts experience would do !!

steve esterkamp, javion harris, jerry le bold, tom jamerson, eddie washington, marin bota, rush floyd, jay berry ..

any other suggestions ?

patrick flomo ?

rick "the stick" hoffman ?
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