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Alan Swank
4/19/2016 5:38 PM
He can score but if he'll need to learn how to play better D plus as we saw with Gary Trent, he's really not that big compared to some of the behemoths in the NBA. I agree though with the previous poster, first round next year and i bet we are playing on Saturday night in Cleveland.
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Monroe Slavin
4/19/2016 9:17 PM
Excuse me.

Oh, sorry.

No disrespect to AC at all. But most of you shot very little understanding of what the NBA is currently about.

And it ain't what the NBA was about even two years ago.
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Speaker of Truth
4/19/2016 10:04 PM
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Great Move by Tony. Hopefully he gets an invite and impresses. Would love to see him get taken in the first round this year, so hopefully he projects there from the scouts.

I'd love to see him project in the first round NEXT year. That means he's really upped his game to a very, very high level that would mean he's a two time MAC POY. I can't see any way yet that he's a first round NBA talent. I can see the potential if he improves his game though.
Who knows what could happen next year. I know it is a long shot but if he projects, I hope he goes. Him getting picked in the first round this year would be what's best for Tony, if he projects, so we should all be rooting for that.....Unless obnoxious fan hood overtakes hoping for the best for a student athlete....
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OhioCatFan
4/19/2016 11:35 PM
the123kid wrote:expand_more
Great Move by Tony. Hopefully he gets an invite and impresses. Would love to see him get taken in the first round this year, so hopefully he projects there from the scouts.

I'd love to see him project in the first round NEXT year. That means he's really upped his game to a very, very high level that would mean he's a two time MAC POY. I can't see any way yet that he's a first round NBA talent. I can see the potential if he improves his game though.
Who knows what could happen next year. I know it is a long shot but if he projects, I hope he goes. Him getting picked in the first round this year would be what's best for Tony, if he projects, so we should all be rooting for that.....Unless obnoxious fan hood overtakes hoping for the best for a student athlete....
Disagree. It's most important for a STUDENT-athlete to get that degree and graduate before pursuing a professional sports career. I take offense at your term "obnoxious fan hood." Wanting the best for a student athlete in terms of his overall life experience is not always based on how many dollars he or she can acquire now versus waiting a year. It's called delayed gratification, and is usually better in the long run than immediate gratification, despite what many in today's society will tell you.
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Monroe Slavin
4/20/2016 2:45 AM
Disagree, OCF. If the student-athlete wants a degree, he or she can always return to school in off-season and complete it.

And, by leaving early, the student-athlete gains the far out, last year of income (return on saved/invested funds) which can be HUGE.

Economically, it just makes sense to get the early start. Any understanding of compound interest/compounding of money proves this.
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bobcatsquared
4/20/2016 6:06 AM
Went to bed last night feeling bad that I didn't understand what the NBA is all about. Woke up this morning and now I feel bad that I don't understand compounding interest.

What's next?
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C Money
4/20/2016 9:22 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Disagree. It's most important for a STUDENT-athlete to get that degree and graduate before pursuing a professional sports career. I take offense at your term "obnoxious fan hood." Wanting the best for a student athlete in terms of his overall life experience is not always based on how many dollars he or she can acquire now versus waiting a year. It's called delayed gratification, and is usually better in the long run than immediate gratification, despite what many in today's society will tell you.
I appreciate the point you're trying to make, and for 90% of student-athletes it's probably true. But when you're talking about a 19, 20, 21 year old, from an impoverished background, whose momma can't even come see him play because she doesn't have the money for travel and the NCAA is stupid, can you really criticize him for wanting to get paid several million dollars right now?

Would you criticize Bill Gates for dropping out to start Microsoft? Or Mark Zuckerberg for leaving college to start Facebook? If they had waited to finish college, someone else likely would have grabbed that brass ring.

#GetPaidSon
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OUVan
4/20/2016 9:55 AM
C Money wrote:expand_more
I appreciate the point you're trying to make, and for 90% of student-athletes it's probably true. But when you're talking about a 19, 20, 21 year old, from an impoverished background, whose momma can't even come see him play because she doesn't have the money for travel and the NCAA is stupid, can you really criticize him for wanting to get paid several million dollars right now?

Would you criticize Bill Gates for dropping out to start Microsoft? Or Mark Zuckerberg for leaving college to start Facebook? If they had waited to finish college, someone else likely would have grabbed that brass ring.

#GetPaidSon
I agree but it all depends on the situation. If they are reasonably sure they will be a first round pick, particularly a lottery pick, I don't see how anyone can criticize a player coming out. The problem comes when players who won't go until the 2nd round or possibly go undrafted get told by the wrong people that they will be a surefire first rounder and then they are stuck with limited options.
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bornacatfan
4/20/2016 10:16 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Great Move by Tony. Hopefully he gets an invite and impresses. Would love to see him get taken in the first round this year, so hopefully he projects there from the scouts.

I'd love to see him project in the first round NEXT year. That means he's really upped his game to a very, very high level that would mean he's a two time MAC POY. I can't see any way yet that he's a first round NBA talent. I can see the potential if he improves his game though.
Who knows what could happen next year. I know it is a long shot but if he projects, I hope he goes. Him getting picked in the first round this year would be what's best for Tony, if he projects, so we should all be rooting for that.....Unless obnoxious fan hood overtakes hoping for the best for a student athlete....
Disagree. It's most important for a STUDENT-athlete to get that degree and graduate before pursuing a professional sports career. I take offense at your term "obnoxious fan hood." Wanting the best for a student athlete in terms of his overall life experience is not always based on how many dollars he or she can acquire now versus waiting a year. It's called delayed gratification, and is usually better in the long run than immediate gratification, despite what many in today's society will tell you.
[/QUOTE]Take offense all you want but you are no better than the opposite side who tells a kid he is better going early because they need the money being from an impoverished family. Why is your wanting the best any different than the guy who told Magic Johnson he wanted the best for him and his fam any different. You are pfoiting your values on a kid.



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I appreciate the point you're trying to make, and for 90% of student-athletes it's probably true. But when you're talking about a 19, 20, 21 year old, from an impoverished background, whose momma can't even come see him play because she doesn't have the money for travel and the NCAA is stupid, can you really criticize him for wanting to get paid several million dollars right now?

Would you criticize Bill Gates for dropping out to start Microsoft? Or Mark Zuckerberg for leaving college to start Facebook? If they had waited to finish college, someone else likely would have grabbed that brass ring.

#GetPaidSon
I agree but it all depends on the situation. If they are reasonably sure they will be a first round pick, particularly a lottery pick, I don't see how anyone can criticize a player coming out. The problem comes when players who won't go until the 2nd round or possibly go undrafted get told by the wrong people that they will be a surefire first rounder and then they are stuck with limited options.

I am a free market guy. They should enter the draft out of HS. Who cares? If they made a bad choice they have to live with it. The rest of us do. I have made lots of those choices. I have an employee sitting in Federal Prison with over a million of my dollars because i trusted her while I was out following my son. Let em go....if they want to come back and get their degree fine...
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UpSan Bobcat
4/20/2016 10:20 AM
If Campbell was going to be a sure first-round pick, I'd understand him staying in the draft. But I don't think there's any scenario where that happens. Even if he dominates workouts, he's so far down the list, I'm not sure it's possible for him to move into position to be a sure first-round pick. I think he ever knows that. But it's a good chance for him to see where he's at.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
4/20/2016 10:55 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Great Move by Tony. Hopefully he gets an invite and impresses. Would love to see him get taken in the first round this year, so hopefully he projects there from the scouts.

I'd love to see him project in the first round NEXT year. That means he's really upped his game to a very, very high level that would mean he's a two time MAC POY. I can't see any way yet that he's a first round NBA talent. I can see the potential if he improves his game though.
Who knows what could happen next year. I know it is a long shot but if he projects, I hope he goes. Him getting picked in the first round this year would be what's best for Tony, if he projects, so we should all be rooting for that.....Unless obnoxious fan hood overtakes hoping for the best for a student athlete....
Disagree. It's most important for a STUDENT-athlete to get that degree and graduate before pursuing a professional sports career. I take offense at your term "obnoxious fan hood." Wanting the best for a student athlete in terms of his overall life experience is not always based on how many dollars he or she can acquire now versus waiting a year. It's called delayed gratification, and is usually better in the long run than immediate gratification, despite what many in today's society will tell you.
The reasoning here is so ridiculously specious I'm not even sure where to start.

First of all, there's an assumption baked into this that getting a degree is always the best path. It's not. In fact, if you can earn a GUARANTEED 2.95 million dollars (the absolute minimum a first round pick in the NBA earns) it's objectively bad advice to value an immediate degree over those earnings. College is always there. Those additional credits can be earned anytime. 2.9 million in guaranteed earnings is not, and is a windfall that anybody entering the workforce as a 21 year old would be an idiot not to take.

Second, this isn't as simple as delayed gratification. You're putting your earning potential at serious risk by coming back for a degree that's value isn't nearly as quantifiable as you're making it out to be. An injury in his senior year, or poor performance on the court, and that 2.9 million is gone. But I guess that Pre-Specialized Studies degree he's earning will guarantee him. . .what exactly in this job market?

You're offering objectively bad advice, that's basically impossible to justify. That's why people are assuming it's "obnoxious fanhood".
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Ohio69
4/20/2016 11:21 AM
It becomes a very obvious answer when you apply this to a non-athlete.

If the New York Times or Atlantic Magazine called up the current editor of The Post and offered her $2.9 million guaranteed over three years if she would drop out and go work for them tomorrow, should she decline?

No chance. None.

Why is it different for a basketball player and the New York Knicks?

Now, the problem for Tony is there is no guarantee. Even if the Knicks or whoever flat out tell him they are going to pick him in the first round, they may not. So, that's why he may want to withdraw. Its also why the NCAA, yet again, does not care about student athletes. They NCAA should let the kid go all the way through the draft, with an agent, and if it doesn't work out, return to school. Why not? Because Coach K will have heartburn? He's got millions for the meds for that....
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PhiTau74
4/20/2016 11:51 AM
I want to hear how great compound interest is, jumbo CD's in the 3 top on line banks are what 1.3%. You not going to get rich unless you have $100M invested. Inflation is higher than that so Monroe must have meant something else. I think its funny when investment firms say they can get you 8% returns when the US stock narket over the last 15 years is up about 2.5% a year. They always go back 50-70 years when they give you the bs numbers.

Getting back to Tony, he needs to turn 20 lbs off body fat into lean muscle, greatly increase his speed and defense. Watch an NBA playoff game and the 6'8" -6'11" power forwards run like point guards in the MAC.
Last Edited: 4/20/2016 12:11:48 PM by PhiTau74
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bobcatsquared
4/20/2016 12:15 PM
I recall back when Raghib Ismail left ND early and how upset I was and disappointed with the most exciting player I've ever seen play for the Irish. After some self-reflection, however, I quickly realized that these feelings were based on selfish reasons. Ever since, even if I feel the decision may not be a wise one, I never hold it against a college athlete deciding to leave early for the highest level of their sport. I still hope TC returns for one more year (for selfish reasons) but won't begrudge him if he doesn't.
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LuckySparrow
4/20/2016 1:10 PM
We don't need to turn everything into a larger picture argument.

This story is pretty simple. Tone's gauging his interest at the NBA level without hiring an agent. If he gets unexpected love and an offer he can't refuse - great, go for it. That would most likely be the right choice. But based on Tony and Saul's comments, it appears as though this is mostly to just take advantage of a new rule.

Overall, my opinion is that it's in Tony's best interest to return for his senior season, earn his degree, get stronger, faster, better, get a couple NCAA wins under his belt and then head into the 2017 draft with a much better portfolio.
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Monroe Slavin
4/21/2016 2:27 AM
PhiTau74 wrote:expand_more
I want to hear how great compound interest is, jumbo CD's in the 3 top on line banks are what 1.3%. You not going to get rich unless you have $100M invested. Inflation is higher than that so Monroe must have meant something else. I think its funny when investment firms say they can get you 8% returns when the US stock narket over the last 15 years is up about 2.5% a year. They always go back 50-70 years when they give you the bs numbers.

Getting back to Tony, he needs to turn 20 lbs off body fat into lean muscle, greatly increase his speed and defense. Watch an NBA playoff game and the 6'8" -6'11" power forwards run like point guards in the MAC.
AC is certainly doing the right thing by testing the water and getting feedback in a way that allows him to return to OHIO if that's best.

PhiTau74...You miss at least two points.

1) You assume a 1.35% return. That is extremely conservative. Moderate (not extremely risky) stocks over a long period of 10-70 years are very likely to do much better than that. Same with an even less risky path such as bonds.

2) You have to start in year one no matter if you start this year or next year or in eight years, etc. What you miss by starting later is not year one. You're missing the years at the end--year 27 or 41 or 52, etc.

That far out year will give you whatever your rate of return is on the great sum that has accumulated on the prior 27 or 41 or get, etc, years. It's millions of dollars for one who can get paid for playing basketball (if they're good with their money).
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SBH
4/21/2016 6:23 AM
Beware any BA poster whose resume proudly proclaims that he was an auditor/accountant for Countrywide Financial. Perhaps he should stick to the burgeoning pet accessories industry.
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The Optimist
4/21/2016 7:39 AM
PhiTau74 wrote:expand_more
I want to hear how great compound interest is, jumbo CD's in the 3 top on line banks are what 1.3%. You not going to get rich unless you have $100M invested. Inflation is higher than that so Monroe must have meant something else. I think its funny when investment firms say they can get you 8% returns when the US stock narket over the last 15 years is up about 2.5% a year. They always go back 50-70 years when they give you the bs numbers.
Amazingly, this thread has somehow passed the thread where someone tried to argue Saul would need a loan to buy a car with his half a mil a year salary in Athens, Ohio in overall financial illiteracy.

It doesn't take a finance degree to buy and hold dividend stocks returning WELL in excess of 1.3%. Please, humor me with more talk about how compound interest doesn't work.

Monroe is actually sounding like the most reasonable person in this thread.

Yikes.
Last Edited: 4/21/2016 7:44:46 AM by The Optimist
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The Optimist
4/21/2016 8:01 AM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Great Move by Tony. Hopefully he gets an invite and impresses. Would love to see him get taken in the first round this year, so hopefully he projects there from the scouts.

I'd love to see him project in the first round NEXT year. That means he's really upped his game to a very, very high level that would mean he's a two time MAC POY. I can't see any way yet that he's a first round NBA talent. I can see the potential if he improves his game though.
Who knows what could happen next year. I know it is a long shot but if he projects, I hope he goes. Him getting picked in the first round this year would be what's best for Tony, if he projects, so we should all be rooting for that.....Unless obnoxious fan hood overtakes hoping for the best for a student athlete....
Disagree. It's most important for a STUDENT-athlete to get that degree and graduate before pursuing a professional sports career. I take offense at your term "obnoxious fan hood." Wanting the best for a student athlete in terms of his overall life experience is not always based on how many dollars he or she can acquire now versus waiting a year. It's called delayed gratification, and is usually better in the long run than immediate gratification, despite what many in today's society will tell you.
The reasoning here is so ridiculously specious I'm not even sure where to start.

First of all, there's an assumption baked into this that getting a degree is always the best path. It's not. In fact, if you can earn a GUARANTEED 2.95 million dollars (the absolute minimum a first round pick in the NBA earns) it's objectively bad advice to value an immediate degree over those earnings. College is always there. Those additional credits can be earned anytime. 2.9 million in guaranteed earnings is not, and is a windfall that anybody entering the workforce as a 21 year old would be an idiot not to take.

Second, this isn't as simple as delayed gratification. You're putting your earning potential at serious risk by coming back for a degree that's value isn't nearly as quantifiable as you're making it out to be. An injury in his senior year, or poor performance on the court, and that 2.9 million is gone. But I guess that Pre-Specialized Studies degree he's earning will guarantee him. . .what exactly in this job market?

You're offering objectively bad advice, that's basically impossible to justify. That's why people are assuming it's "obnoxious fanhood".
It seems obvious (or it should be, at least) that even our men's basketball players who DON'T make the NBA come out well ahead of your average (or even above average, or ELITE) Ohio University graduates as far as their pay right out of college.

We've had guys who were average for the Bobcats go over to Europe and make 6 figures right off the bat. From a purely financial standpoint, one personal finance class that gives them an understanding of compound interest and debt is going to give them more practical use than their degree in (whatever field)
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OUVan
4/21/2016 9:04 AM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
I am a free market guy. They should enter the draft out of HS. Who cares? If they made a bad choice they have to live with it. The rest of us do. I have made lots of those choices. I have an employee sitting in Federal Prison with over a million of my dollars because i trusted her while I was out following my son. Let em go....if they want to come back and get their degree fine...
I still contend there should be no declaring for the draft at all. Don't leave it in the hands of the kids or their handlers. All players out of high school are eligible to be drafted. They don't become ineligible for college ball unless they sign a contract. If a team isn't able to sign that player he goes back into the draft the next year. I think baseball does it this way.
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allen
4/21/2016 10:34 AM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Beware any BA poster whose resume proudly proclaims that he was an auditor/accountant for Countrywide Financial. Perhaps he should stick to the burgeoning pet accessories industry.
You went hard in the paint on this one, perhaps even harder than Gary Trent. lol, sheeesh
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allen
4/21/2016 10:42 AM
He needs to stay at Ohio and continue to refine his game and become more like Milsap, that does involve a little toning, otherwise he is a couples inches to short to play in the NBA. I may be wrong, Elton Brand had a nice career and has about the same athleticism, but I believe the game has changed. He needs to be able play the 3 or a quick 4 that can rebound, like Faried and Milsap. Unless he can pull off a Zach Randolph or Al Jefferson.
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rpbobcat
4/21/2016 11:07 AM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
I am a free market guy. They should enter the draft out of HS. Who cares? If they made a bad choice they have to live with it. The rest of us do. I have made lots of those choices. I have an employee sitting in Federal Prison with over a million of my dollars because i trusted her while I was out following my son. Let em go....if they want to come back and get their degree fine...
I still contend there should be no declaring for the draft at all. Don't leave it in the hands of the kids or their handlers. All players out of high school are eligible to be drafted. They don't become ineligible for college ball unless they sign a contract. If a team isn't able to sign that player he goes back into the draft the next year. I think baseball does it this way.
What should happen is the NBA and NFL do like baseball and develop a true minor league system.

This would also address the issue of "one and dones" and open up more slots to true student athletes.

But with the amount of money in college football and basketball I don't think it will ever happen.
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bigtillyoopsupsideurhead
4/21/2016 4:58 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
He needs to stay at Ohio and continue to refine his game and become more like Milsap, that does involve a little toning, otherwise he is a couples inches to short to play in the NBA. I may be wrong, Elton Brand had a nice career and has about the same athleticism, but I believe the game has changed. He needs to be able play the 3 or a quick 4 that can rebound, like Faried and Milsap. Unless he can pull off a Zach Randolph or Al Jefferson.
Tony Campbell being Kenneth Faried or Paul Millsap is not happening. Have we been watching the same guy?

Campbell absolutely has a shot at an NBA career, but it's as a guy like Marreese Speights. Same height and build, similar athleticism, but I think Tony is probably a better shooter and passer than Speights. Speights isn't an all-star but he's in the rotation on a 73 win team.

But I do agree with Jefferson and Randolph a bit. Both of those guys show that if you have enough skill you can be a below the rim big man and still succeed in the Association.
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Monroe Slavin
4/21/2016 6:18 PM
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:expand_more
He needs to stay at Ohio and continue to refine his game and become more like Milsap, that does involve a little toning, otherwise he is a couples inches to short to play in the NBA. I may be wrong, Elton Brand had a nice career and has about the same athleticism, but I believe the game has changed. He needs to be able play the 3 or a quick 4 that can rebound, like Faried and Milsap. Unless he can pull off a Zach Randolph or Al Jefferson.
Tony Campbell being Kenneth Faried or Paul Millsap is not happening. Have we been watching the same guy?

Campbell absolutely has a shot at an NBA career, but it's as a guy like Marreese Speights. Same height and build, similar athleticism, but I think Tony is probably a better shooter and passer than Speights. Speights isn't an all-star but he's in the rotation on a 73 win team.

But I do agree with Jefferson and Randolph a bit. Both of those guys show that if you have enough skill you can be a below the rim big man and still succeed in the Association.
These are quite accurate views.

And, doesn't Speights feature a pretty quick release on his shot, some talent on the perimeter in setting screens and moving/rolling to open spots after setting screens, plus talent/movement in team defense around the floor?

AC can bring these Speights-like talents but he isn't asked much to show them at OHIO. At OHIO, he plays mostly inside as compared to Speights playing more on the outside.


SBH--which is more tiring: your potshots, your constant
vapidity, or your repetitiveness. Answer: all three.
Can't we just leave it that you don't like me and I have no respect for you?Leave it at that, stop sniping at each other (which you're pretty much starting up these days) so that we're not bothering others here?!
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