menu
Logo
99+
Bobcat Attack Menu
Logo
99+
Ohio Basketball Topic
Topic: Ohio State UCLA and What We Can Learn
Page: 1 of 1
berniebobcat
General User
B
Member Since: 11/23/2010
Location: San Luis Obispo, CA
Post Count: 313
person
mail
berniebobcat
mail
Posted: 12/17/2016 5:13 PM
settings_applications edit_note
Watching these two today you had to be impressed with UCLA's excellent anticipation on defense and confidence on offense. We lack both at the moment. I wonder if someone like Saul plays videos of these elite teams for his group to highlight what he is looking for?
allen
General User
A
Member Since: 1/24/2006
Post Count: 4,638
person
mail
allen
mail
Posted: 12/17/2016 10:37 PM
settings_applications edit_note
We have to learn how to expect to win and how to play confident. We beat Ohio State in the preseason, but when we go on the road we allow things to fall apart at times. We need a killer instinct.
OU_Country
General User
Member Since: 12/6/2005
Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County
Post Count: 8,401
mail
OU_Country
mail
Posted: 12/19/2016 1:51 PM
settings_applications edit_note
You both left out something UCLA has that Ohio isn't likely to have soon: Multiple 5* athletes on the roster at the same time. In other words, future NBA talent. We have maybe one. Maybe. That's a big difference maker on defense.
allen
General User
A
Member Since: 1/24/2006
Post Count: 4,638
person
mail
allen
mail
Posted: 12/19/2016 10:54 PM
settings_applications edit_note
Butler made it to a National Championship game with less talent and held Duke to 57 points. Defense is about effort and we will get there, we don't need excuses. If this team wants to make history, they need to put in the effort. They will get it done. They don't need a we will get them next time card.
GoCats105
General User
GC105
Member Since: 1/31/2006
Location: Seattle, WA
Post Count: 7,820
person
mail
GoCats105
mail
Posted: 12/20/2016 10:56 AM
settings_applications edit_note
allen wrote:expand_more
Butler made it to a National Championship game with less talent and held Duke to 57 points. Defense is about effort and we will get there, we don't need excuses. If this team wants to make history, they need to put in the effort. They will get it done. They don't need a we will get them next time card.
Butler had three NBA caliber players on that team. Two of them are currently still in the NBA.
Last Edited: 12/20/2016 10:58:18 AM by GoCats105
100%Cat
General User
Member Since: 1/17/2013
Post Count: 2,726
mail
100%Cat
mail
Posted: 12/20/2016 12:16 PM
settings_applications edit_note
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Butler made it to a National Championship game with less talent and held Duke to 57 points. Defense is about effort and we will get there, we don't need excuses. If this team wants to make history, they need to put in the effort. They will get it done. They don't need a we will get them next time card.
Butler had three NBA caliber players on that team. Two of them are currently still in the NBA.
Not only that, but Hayward was also a top 10 pick in the draft.
OU_Country
General User
Member Since: 12/6/2005
Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County
Post Count: 8,401
mail
OU_Country
mail
Posted: 12/20/2016 3:42 PM
settings_applications edit_note
100%Cat wrote:expand_more
Butler made it to a National Championship game with less talent and held Duke to 57 points. Defense is about effort and we will get there, we don't need excuses. If this team wants to make history, they need to put in the effort. They will get it done. They don't need a we will get them next time card.
Butler had three NBA caliber players on that team. Two of them are currently still in the NBA.
Not only that, but Hayward was also a top 10 pick in the draft.
Bingo - you beat me to it. Butler during that back to back Final Four stretch was REALLY good.

I hear the points about defense, I do, because it's necessary for OUr team to be solid on that end to get to where they want to go. That said, when comparing teams, we have to acknowledge the fact that UCLA is recruiting many guys that will be future NBA players. Ohio is not, like the vast majority of schools in the country.
allen
General User
A
Member Since: 1/24/2006
Post Count: 4,638
person
mail
allen
mail
Posted: 12/20/2016 7:17 PM
settings_applications edit_note
The problem with the Butler argument is they went again in 2011 after Hayward left and lost 53-41 against UCONN. Why fight to be mediocre, when you can believe and achieve.
Mark Lembright '85
General User
ML85
Member Since: 8/22/2010
Location: Highland Heights, OH
Post Count: 2,460
person
mail
Mark Lembright '85
mail
Posted: 12/20/2016 8:46 PM
settings_applications edit_note
Butler also had a genius as a coach. I like Saul a lot, but I'll take Brad Stevens as a coach every day of the week and Sundays too.
Last Edited: 12/20/2016 8:47:01 PM by Mark Lembright '85
OU_Country
General User
Member Since: 12/6/2005
Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County
Post Count: 8,401
mail
OU_Country
mail
Posted: 12/20/2016 10:16 PM
settings_applications edit_note
allen wrote:expand_more
The problem with the Butler argument is they went again in 2011 after Hayward left and lost 53-41 against UCONN. Why fight to be mediocre, when you can believe and achieve.
So we're fighting to be mediocre? Or am I misunderstanding you?
allen
General User
A
Member Since: 1/24/2006
Post Count: 4,638
person
mail
allen
mail
Posted: 12/20/2016 11:22 PM
settings_applications edit_note
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
The problem with the Butler argument is they went again in 2011 after Hayward left and lost 53-41 against UCONN. Why fight to be mediocre, when you can believe and achieve.
So we're fighting to be mediocre? Or am I misunderstanding you?
Can we believe that our team can win tough games? Do we have to make excuses? How about believing this team will win the MAC? How about believing we can win any game on our schedule? Let's go Cats
OU_Country
General User
Member Since: 12/6/2005
Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County
Post Count: 8,401
mail
OU_Country
mail
Posted: 12/20/2016 11:42 PM
settings_applications edit_note
allen wrote:expand_more
The problem with the Butler argument is they went again in 2011 after Hayward left and lost 53-41 against UCONN. Why fight to be mediocre, when you can believe and achieve.
So we're fighting to be mediocre? Or am I misunderstanding you?
Can we believe that our team can win tough games? Do we have to make excuses? How about believing this team will win the MAC? How about believing we can win any game on our schedule? Let's go Cats
Going into this season, I believed our team could win any game on the schedule. I think they can realistically win 15-16 conference games. Will they? I'm looking forward to finding out. I don't care about thoughts on excuses one way or another, because I'm a fan, not a player or coach. Supporting this program is my fun during the winter. I hope they have great years, but surely won't compare what they can do to UCLA because of the difference in resources and athletes tells me that's unrealistic.
Jeff McKinney
Moderator
JM
Member Since: 11/12/2004
Post Count: 6,163
person
mail
Jeff McKinney
mail
Posted: 12/20/2016 11:51 PM
settings_applications edit_note
Defense is more than just effort. It's good court awareness, anticipation, quickness, lateral movement. Some players never become good on D because of the court awareness issue.

Sometimes certain players can't succeed in a motion offense for the same reasons.
allen
General User
A
Member Since: 1/24/2006
Post Count: 4,638
person
mail
allen
mail
Posted: 12/21/2016 6:22 AM
settings_applications edit_note
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
Defense is more than just effort. It's good court awareness, anticipation, quickness, lateral movement. Some players never become good on D because of the court awareness issue.

Sometimes certain players can't succeed in a motion offense for the same reasons.
True, we have to recruit the right players to play in our system and Butler was able to do that. We also need to get the best out of our players. I believe we have sufficient talent, I think we need to workout some of the details.
bn9
General User
B9
Member Since: 12/21/2004
Post Count: 422
person
mail
bn9
mail
Posted: 12/21/2016 8:47 AM
settings_applications edit_note
allen wrote:expand_more
Defense is more than just effort. It's good court awareness, anticipation, quickness, lateral movement. Some players never become good on D because of the court awareness issue.

Sometimes certain players can't succeed in a motion offense for the same reasons.
True, we have to recruit the right players to play in our system and Butler was able to do that. We also need to get the best out of our players. I believe we have sufficient talent, I think we need to workout some of the details.
I think we are recruiting the right players to play in our system. Look at the Freshmen, Sophomores and recruits. I know the prevailing opinion of this board was that we were going to be great this year, and we might be, but I think we are still two years away from seeing what this program is going to truly be capable of.
Ohio69
General User
O69
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 3,123
person
mail
Ohio69
mail
Posted: 12/21/2016 11:38 AM
settings_applications edit_note
allen is cracking me up. You can apply his comments to every college team. But, boy, do those comments sow discontent. It is like fake news 101 for someone who thinks we need different leaders to make basketball (and football) great again.
allen
General User
A
Member Since: 1/24/2006
Post Count: 4,638
person
mail
allen
mail
Posted: 12/21/2016 1:42 PM
settings_applications edit_note
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
allen is cracking me up. You can apply his comments to every college team. But, boy, do those comments sow discontent. It is like fake news 101 for someone who thinks we need different leaders to make basketball (and football) great again.
I don't think we should throw parades for coaches that don't win. I have not called for any changes. I am just saying we can't keep going to the CBI and calling ourselves successful. I have not called for Saul or FS to go. I have said we need a new offensive coordinator. I believe our basketball team is close to being good, they need to dig in and you probably need to reread my comments. I don't spread fake news, everything that I say comes with a source.

All good is hard. All evil is easy. Dying, losing, cheating, and mediocrity is easy. Stay away from easy. Scott Alexander

Mediocrity scares me. It's the fear of not being as good as you want to be. If you give over to that fear, it will sabotage you. As much as I can, I try to use that fear to guide me. Chris Pine

There's a lot of mediocrity being celebrated, and a lot of wonderful stuff being ignored or discouraged. Sean Penn
Ohio69
General User
O69
Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 3,123
person
mail
Ohio69
mail
Posted: 12/21/2016 2:36 PM
settings_applications edit_note
Hey man -- I'm just ribbing you a bit. No worries. I get it. (Another instance where an emoji woulda helped.)
Last Edited: 12/21/2016 2:37:45 PM by Ohio69
allen
General User
A
Member Since: 1/24/2006
Post Count: 4,638
person
mail
allen
mail
Posted: 12/21/2016 3:15 PM
settings_applications edit_note
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
Hey man -- I'm just ribbing you a bit. No worries. I get it. (Another instance where an emoji woulda helped.)
ok lol
Showing Messages: 1 - 19 of 19
reply
vertical_align_top
vertical_align_center
vertical_align_bottom
add_comment
MAC News Links



extra small (< 576px)
small (>= 576px)
medium (>= 768px)
large (>= 992px)
x-large (>= 1200px)
xx-large (>= 1400px)