Saw a reference to the 2012 team and decided to do my own position-by-position analysis. Sure there will be much debate, so chime in on your recollection and your opinions.
Cooper vs. Simmons
Simmons is solid and he can get the job done. His shooting, both from the floor and FT line are more consistent and he doesn't make as many head scratching plays (ie: hoisting up 30 foot ill-advised bombs when you least expect it). Yet still, Cooper is an all-time OHIO great and had the "It Factor."
ADVANTAGE: Cooper (2012)
Kellogg vs Dartis
Wow, tough one as Kellogg is one of my all time OHIO favorites and Dartis is my favorite on this years team. Kellogg was smart, provided leadership and was clutch. But I think Dartis may be further along as a Soph. than Nick was at that point in his career. In 2012 Nick had begun diversifying his game and being more than just a spot up shooter. Whether Jordan will develop into the finished product Nick ended up being by their Senior years only time will tell. I could go either way on this one and I'm sure this will be debated, but...
ADVANTAGE: Even
Baltic vs. Kaminski
Good Ivo, or bad Ivo at the end is really the question here? Kenny is by far the superior shooter, but Ivo brought driving, slashing, rebounding and the mid-range game to the table when he was right. Kenny is very one dimensional and if his shot isn't going, brings little else to the table. I'm trying not to remember only the Ivo down the stretch, or the cold shooting KK, so...
ADVANTAGE: Baltic (2012)
J. Smith vs. Campbell
Actually had to look up the starting lineup of the UNC game to remember Keely didn't start, but instead J. Smith did. Jon Smith played way bigger than 6'7." While he had no offense, he did the little things this team needed. But at the end of the day, Campbell is the MAC Player of the Year, so...
ADVANTAGE : Campbell (2016)
Bench:
Keely vs. Taylor
Keely as I recall could guard the post well for his size, could post up well, was active around the rim and didn't try to join the other four guys at the 3 point arch. He knew his role and didn't stay from it, as didn't Jon Smith.
HUGE ADVANTAGE: Keely (2012)
R. Johnson vs. Culver
I think Culver has much more upside than Ricardo, but when you compare Freshman Culver to a more seasoned Johnson, Ricardo was a little more polished, though he looked much like Culver (a bit out of control) as a Freshman. However at the end day and by the end of the season, they probably bring about the same assets to the table, so I'll call it...
ADVANTAGE: Even
TJ Hall vs. Carter
Same as above, Carter will be the better player down the road but right now as a Freshman, TJ was more polished in 2012. This time next year I think I'll probably be giving the edge to Carter, but for right now...
ADVANTAGE: Hall (2012)
The real differentiators up to this point are DJ had the "IT Factor" and we had Keely/Smith who knew and fulfilled their roles in the paint both on offense and defense. But in my opinion, when I analyze the two rosters side-by-side, the thing that separates the two rosters is the last starting position I left for last:
Offutt vs Block
It could be a by-product that Walt was a R-Jr. in 2012 and Gavin's only a true Soph., but this position comparison is worlds apart. Walt not only provided toughness, leadership and experience, but he could also attack the rim while being competent from the perimeter. If I could pin-point one thing the 2012 team had that the 2016 team does not currently have, I'd say it's a Walt Offutt type slasher. Some would argue it's DJ Cooper and I can't argue that, but Simmons is very good. Walt IMO is what separates the two teams. if the 2016 can recruit or develop a Walt type, you're golden and it's the missing ingredient.
HUGE ADVANTAGE: Offutt (2012)
In summary, I have the 2012 team winning 5 position battles, the 2016 team winning 1 position battle and I called 2 a tie. 5-1-2 in favor of 2012. To reiterate, in many of the position battles the 2016 team has young guys (ie: Culver, Carter, Dartis, Taylor and Block) so it's not 100% comparing apples to apples. But I tried to compare the 2012 team to the 2016 team with players in their current state of development as we must play with the hand we have right now and not what we think may happen looking forward.
To conclude, the 2012 team at the end of December was 12-1 with their only loss being a 5 point defeat on the road at #5 Louisville.
Thoughts?
Last Edited: 12/12/2016 1:19:45 AM by Chicken George