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Topic: Remember back when that Saul guy was coaching....
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greencat
11/15/2024 10:13 PM
If anybody brought up the need for more athletic basketball players, they were shouted down with stuff about "it's basketball, not a track team, we don't need no stinking athletes...."

Just wondering who still feels that way and who does not.

Asking for a friend.

(Memphis seemed to have athletes...just sayin')
Last Edited: 11/15/2024 10:18:01 PM by greencat
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OhioCatFan
11/15/2024 10:30 PM
…and so does Akron and Kent . . . and Toledo.
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colobobcat66
11/18/2024 6:51 AM
It looks like Saul is in a rough patch at Northern State after some really good years there. He was 10-19 last year and 0-3 so far this year. Possibly will be a while before he leaves for greener pastures.
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Bobcat1998
11/18/2024 7:15 AM
Anyone who doesn't think this team has athleticism is simply not watching. A.J. Clayton is extremely athletic. He doesn't utilize that on offense but I dare you find someone who comes out of nowhere with his timing and hops on defense. AJ Brown stuck with Memphis athletically as well. Elliott has shown spots as well. And it wasn't that Saul didn't recruit athletes. Saul didn't recruit good basketball players. Plain and simple.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
11/18/2024 7:32 AM
Bobcat1998 wrote:expand_more
Anyone who doesn't think this team has athleticism is simply not watching. A.J. Clayton is extremely athletic. He doesn't utilize that on offense but I dare you find someone who comes out of nowhere with his timing and hops on defense. AJ Brown stuck with Memphis athletically as well. Elliott has shown spots as well. And it wasn't that Saul didn't recruit athletes. Saul didn't recruit good basketball players. Plain and simple.
BVP, Jason Preston? Ben Roderick? Lunden McDay? Miles Brown? Jordan Dartis? Doug Taylor? Jason Carter? Wasn't Mike Laster his as well?

Seriously, what is with the desire to cut down Saul on here, especially with revisionist history? It's like a thing with some of you.
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mid70sbobcat
11/18/2024 8:45 AM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Anyone who doesn't think this team has athleticism is simply not watching. A.J. Clayton is extremely athletic. He doesn't utilize that on offense but I dare you find someone who comes out of nowhere with his timing and hops on defense. AJ Brown stuck with Memphis athletically as well. Elliott has shown spots as well. And it wasn't that Saul didn't recruit athletes. Saul didn't recruit good basketball players. Plain and simple.
BVP, Jason Preston? Ben Roderick? Lunden McDay? Miles Brown? Jordan Dartis? Doug Taylor? Jason Carter? Wasn't Mike Laster his as well?

Seriously, what is with the desire to cut down Saul on here, especially with revisionist history? It's like a thing with some of you.
+1. His final comment was utterly uninformed and ignorant.
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Casper71
11/18/2024 10:10 AM
The Bob Huggins strategy…athletes first. Haven’t wanted to say it but we definitely lack athleticism i in side and out with a couple of exceptions.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
11/18/2024 10:11 AM
greencat wrote:expand_more
If anybody brought up the need for more athletic basketball players, they were shouted down with stuff about "it's basketball, not a track team, we don't need no stinking athletes...."
All of those threads are still around. Can you link to this particular straw man?

Curious who thinks athletic basketball players are bad.
Last Edited: 11/18/2024 10:34:41 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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GoCats105
11/18/2024 10:32 AM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Anyone who doesn't think this team has athleticism is simply not watching. A.J. Clayton is extremely athletic. He doesn't utilize that on offense but I dare you find someone who comes out of nowhere with his timing and hops on defense. AJ Brown stuck with Memphis athletically as well. Elliott has shown spots as well. And it wasn't that Saul didn't recruit athletes. Saul didn't recruit good basketball players. Plain and simple.
BVP, Jason Preston? Ben Roderick? Lunden McDay? Miles Brown? Jordan Dartis? Doug Taylor? Jason Carter? Wasn't Mike Laster his as well?

Seriously, what is with the desire to cut down Saul on here, especially with revisionist history? It's like a thing with some of you.
This board loves talking more about coaches who failed than coaches who win. It's uncanny.
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Cats5
11/18/2024 11:01 AM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Anyone who doesn't think this team has athleticism is simply not watching. A.J. Clayton is extremely athletic. He doesn't utilize that on offense but I dare you find someone who comes out of nowhere with his timing and hops on defense. AJ Brown stuck with Memphis athletically as well. Elliott has shown spots as well. And it wasn't that Saul didn't recruit athletes. Saul didn't recruit good basketball players. Plain and simple.
BVP, Jason Preston? Ben Roderick? Lunden McDay? Miles Brown? Jordan Dartis? Doug Taylor? Jason Carter? Wasn't Mike Laster his as well?

Seriously, what is with the desire to cut down Saul on here, especially with revisionist history? It's like a thing with some of you.
Not to pick sides or anything but BRod and Miles wasn't Saul recruits. If we wanna talk about "athletes", take Dartis and Doug Taylor off. Jordan was a catch and shoot and if Doug Taylor is an athlete, so is Reggie Keely. I'll give you BVP, Carter and Laster. JP didn't turn into what he is today under Saul either but he got him on campus at least.
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M.D.W.S.T
11/18/2024 11:06 AM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
The Bob Huggins strategy…athletes first. Haven’t wanted to say it but we definitely lack athleticism i in side and out with a couple of exceptions.
The problem we have generally, and is often the same for most MAC teams, is people playing out of position.

That tends to exacerbate any limitations we have, as well as any edge we might have athletically - gets cancelled out when our best player is 6'3"-6'4" chasing around the other teams 6'7" SF all night.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
11/18/2024 11:12 AM
Cats5 wrote:expand_more
Anyone who doesn't think this team has athleticism is simply not watching. A.J. Clayton is extremely athletic. He doesn't utilize that on offense but I dare you find someone who comes out of nowhere with his timing and hops on defense. AJ Brown stuck with Memphis athletically as well. Elliott has shown spots as well. And it wasn't that Saul didn't recruit athletes. Saul didn't recruit good basketball players. Plain and simple.
BVP, Jason Preston? Ben Roderick? Lunden McDay? Miles Brown? Jordan Dartis? Doug Taylor? Jason Carter? Wasn't Mike Laster his as well?

Seriously, what is with the desire to cut down Saul on here, especially with revisionist history? It's like a thing with some of you.
Not to pick sides or anything but BRod and Miles wasn't Saul recruits. If we wanna talk about "athletes", take Dartis and Doug Taylor off. Jordan was a catch and shoot and if Doug Taylor is an athlete, so is Reggie Keely. I'll give you BVP, Carter and Laster. JP didn't turn into what he is today under Saul either but he got him on campus at least.
he was absolutely a Saul recruit and committed to Ohio before the coaching change. he kept his commitment to the program.

I'm referring to the comment that he "didn't recruit good players", which is absolutely false.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
11/18/2024 11:18 AM
I actually think this team's pretty athletic.

These guys seem like plus athletes to me: Elmore, AJB, Reef, Elliot, Evans, Hadaway, and Clayton. Haven't seen him on the court yet, but assume Kuany's probably in this group.

These folks seem less athletic than the median at their position in the MAC: Ajay Sheldon, Ben Nicol, Pav, Searls.

I don't see athleticism as the issue -- it seems more to me like we're undersized, trying to make up for that by leaning into our switch-ability on D, but not yet all that good at a switch-heavy defense which requires excellent communication and we're not communicating all that excellently.
Last Edited: 11/18/2024 11:20:55 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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Victory
11/18/2024 5:26 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
I don't see athleticism as the issue -- it seems more to me like we're undersized, trying to make up for that by leaning into our switch-ability on D, but not yet all that good at a switch-heavy defense which requires excellent communication and we're not communicating all that excellently.
Yes, I very strongly agree this comment. I think think we have to find a style of play that works with the size we have. We have to improve perimeter D and hope that teams don't keep making every shot - open or not. Maybe we'll figure it out. Maybe we won't.
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greencat
11/18/2024 6:17 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
I actually think this team's pretty athletic.

These guys seem like plus athletes to me: Elmore, AJB, Reef, Elliot, Evans, Hadaway, and Clayton. Haven't seen him on the court yet, but assume Kuany's probably in this group.

These folks seem less athletic than the median at their position in the MAC: Ajay Sheldon, Ben Nicol, Pav, Searls.

I don't see athleticism as the issue -- it seems more to me like we're undersized, trying to make up for that by leaning into our switch-ability on D, but not yet all that good at a switch-heavy defense which requires excellent communication and we're not communicating all that excellently.
Kuany is going to be the kind of D-1 athlete to answer some of the question marks.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
11/18/2024 6:27 PM
greencat wrote:expand_more
Kuany is going to be the kind of D-1 athlete to answer some of the question marks.
The questions you made up?
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JSF
11/18/2024 6:31 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Kuany is going to be the kind of D-1 athlete to answer some of the question marks.
The questions you made up?
Just when they think they have the answers, I change the question.
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greencat
11/18/2024 6:38 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
If anybody brought up the need for more athletic basketball players, they were shouted down with stuff about "it's basketball, not a track team, we don't need no stinking athletes...."
All of those threads are still around. Can you link to this particular straw man?

Curious who thinks athletic basketball players are bad.
The site search only shows threads going back to 2019.

The thread happened. Including the statement about "it's basketball, not track,etc."
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greencat
11/18/2024 6:41 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
Kuany is going to be the kind of D-1 athlete to answer some of the question marks.
The questions you made up?
Is there a way to block somebody on here?
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bobcatsquared
11/18/2024 6:59 PM
greencat wrote:expand_more
Is there a way to block somebody on here?
Get in line.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
11/18/2024 7:00 PM
greencat wrote:expand_more
Is there a way to block somebody on here?
Sorry, I'll let you get back to winning your 7 year old argument with a person you definitely didn't make up.
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BillyTheCat
11/18/2024 10:44 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Anyone who doesn't think this team has athleticism is simply not watching. A.J. Clayton is extremely athletic. He doesn't utilize that on offense but I dare you find someone who comes out of nowhere with his timing and hops on defense. AJ Brown stuck with Memphis athletically as well. Elliott has shown spots as well. And it wasn't that Saul didn't recruit athletes. Saul didn't recruit good basketball players. Plain and simple.
BVP, Jason Preston? Ben Roderick? Lunden McDay? Miles Brown? Jordan Dartis? Doug Taylor? Jason Carter? Wasn't Mike Laster his as well?

Seriously, what is with the desire to cut down Saul on here, especially with revisionist history? It's like a thing with some of you.
Roderick, McDay, and Brown were Boals recruits and commits.
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BillyTheCat
11/18/2024 10:45 PM
Casper71 wrote:expand_more
The Bob Huggins strategy…athletes first. Haven’t wanted to say it but we definitely lack athleticism i in side and out with a couple of exceptions.
Yeah, in todays world that athletic big cost money and a lot of it.
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BillyTheCat
11/18/2024 10:45 PM
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:expand_more
If anybody brought up the need for more athletic basketball players, they were shouted down with stuff about "it's basketball, not a track team, we don't need no stinking athletes...."
All of those threads are still around. Can you link to this particular straw man?

Curious who thinks athletic basketball players are bad.
+1
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Deciduous Forest Cat
11/19/2024 7:40 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Anyone who doesn't think this team has athleticism is simply not watching. A.J. Clayton is extremely athletic. He doesn't utilize that on offense but I dare you find someone who comes out of nowhere with his timing and hops on defense. AJ Brown stuck with Memphis athletically as well. Elliott has shown spots as well. And it wasn't that Saul didn't recruit athletes. Saul didn't recruit good basketball players. Plain and simple.
BVP, Jason Preston? Ben Roderick? Lunden McDay? Miles Brown? Jordan Dartis? Doug Taylor? Jason Carter? Wasn't Mike Laster his as well?

Seriously, what is with the desire to cut down Saul on here, especially with revisionist history? It's like a thing with some of you.
Roderick, McDay, and Brown were Boals recruits and commits.
Roderick and McDay never played for Saul but were his commits. They kept their commitment through the coaching change.
Last Edited: 11/19/2024 12:58:17 PM by Deciduous Forest Cat
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