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Topic: MAC Championship: OHIO vs Akron--12 seconds to play...
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Chicken George
12/13/2016 11:49 PM
Coach for the Day. You're drawing up the play. Here's your chance to send OHIO to the Big Dance in dramatic fashion. 12 seconds to play, we're down 1, it's our ball and you must go the full length of the court. Tell me what play you run and who you're going to....
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bshot44
12/13/2016 11:52 PM
The play they ran in the final minute down one vs Iona...

DEFINITELY NOT THAT ONE
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GoCats105
12/14/2016 7:17 AM
Bring as many shooters in as possible. Have Jaaron drive and make a play. Either put it up in the lane or kick out to KK, Jordy or GB for the open shot. If you can get the ball to TC that's obviously ideal, but if not hopefully he's waiting under the basket for a last second tip in.
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Ohio69
12/14/2016 8:14 AM
I ignore the clock -- meaning don't delay anything. Get down quickly and go. Have my quickest player drive into the paint and pull-up for jumper. Everyone else crashes the rim once it is apparent the shot is going off. Then celebrate like Bobcat Dragon in 2005.
Last Edited: 12/14/2016 8:15:30 AM by Ohio69
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Andrew Ruck
12/14/2016 9:51 AM
Simmons looking for Campbell in the paint, backup to Jordan on the wing, backup backup to take it himself.
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OU_Country
12/14/2016 10:02 AM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
The play they ran in the final minute down one vs Iona...

DEFINITELY NOT THAT ONE

The question was not "What play would you not run".
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Lande71
12/14/2016 10:10 AM
The play coach Phillips decides to run! After all, he knows his team the best and it probably has a "little" to do with the opponent's personnel on the floor as well. Sorry to ruin your fun.
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OUVan
12/15/2016 7:27 AM
Tony sets a high pick and roll with Jaaron. If that's covered set up Dartis in the corner and at the same time Tony is setting his pick, Block is setting a pick for Jordy coming out of the corner for a 3.
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RSBobcat
12/16/2016 12:39 AM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
Tony sets a high pick and roll with Jaaron. If that's covered set up Dartis in the corner and at the same time Tony is setting his pick, Block is setting a pick for Jordy coming out of the corner for a 3.
Agree - With the inbounds starting with a down the line moving inbounder (Block?) to Simmons or Jordy quick open off a pick to get the ball on the move down court
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bobcatsquared
12/16/2016 10:32 AM
I don't know how many times I've seen games come down to a last shot and the player bringing the ball upcourt looks to dribble the clock out and take the last-second shot with no intention of passing the ball.

Even if the team has been running their offense for the first 39-plus minutes (31-plus in high school), sharing the ball, moving it around for the best look - it boils down to one-on-five for the final shot. Never understood why.
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OUVan
12/16/2016 11:26 AM
bobcatsquared wrote:expand_more
I don't know how many times I've seen games come down to a last shot and the player bringing the ball upcourt looks to dribble the clock out and take the last-second shot with no intention of passing the ball.

Even if the team has been running their offense for the first 39-plus minutes (31-plus in high school), sharing the ball, moving it around for the best look - it boils down to one-on-five for the final shot. Never understood why.
Agreed.
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
12/16/2016 12:04 PM
You tend to see that iso thing when the game is tied. I think the logic is the worst that can happen is you miss the shot and go to overtime. Passes bring the opportunity for steals and turnovers.

I don't agree with the logic. You should trust your team enough to run a set at any point, but I see NBA coaches even use this strategy and they're 18,000 times smarter than me, so I have to imagine there's some merit to it.

(And if that one player is Kyrie Irving, I'm okay with just clearing it out and letting him break someone's ankles for a wide open shot...)
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Chicken George
12/21/2016 11:56 PM
I asked this question 5 days ago for a reason, I honestly don't know where this team goes for tough baskets late in games when your collar gets tight and the long rangers aren't going. I didn't know and from watching this game, the team obviously doesn't know where to go either. You see it time-n-time again when one dimensional perimeter teams do fine all game long until crunch time and when the going gets tough, bombs aren't always the answer. You'd like to have an option of someone going to the basket hard to create an opportunity, but I don't know who that guy is on this team?

Tonight's real life answer, with 10 seconds to go and the game tied at 66, the play is Simmons to Kaminski for a contested 3 pointer that is an air ball. Terrible look. Terrible possession.

0 points in the last 2:18 of the game.
0 FG in the last 4 minutes.

When the going got tough, we had nowhere to go, which once again, was my concern and the point of the original post.
Last Edited: 12/22/2016 12:05:43 AM by Chicken George
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bshot44
12/22/2016 12:52 AM
Chicken George wrote:expand_more
I asked this question 5 days ago for a reason, I honestly don't know where this team goes for tough baskets late in games when your collar gets tight and the long rangers aren't going. I didn't know and from watching this game, the team obviously doesn't know where to go either. You see it time-n-time again when one dimensional perimeter teams do fine all game long until crunch time and when the going gets tough, bombs aren't always the answer. You'd like to have an option of someone going to the basket hard to create an opportunity, but I don't know who that guy is on this team?

Tonight's real life answer, with 10 seconds to go and the game tied at 66, the play is Simmons to Kaminski for a contested 3 pointer that is an air ball. Terrible look. Terrible possession.

0 points in the last 2:18 of the game.
0 FG in the last 4 minutes.

When the going got tough, we had nowhere to go, which once again, was my concern and the point of the original post.
Yup. Yup. And yup
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OU_Country
12/22/2016 11:57 AM
Chicken George wrote:expand_more
I asked this question 5 days ago for a reason, I honestly don't know where this team goes for tough baskets late in games when your collar gets tight and the long rangers aren't going. I didn't know and from watching this game, the team obviously doesn't know where to go either. You see it time-n-time again when one dimensional perimeter teams do fine all game long until crunch time and when the going gets tough, bombs aren't always the answer. You'd like to have an option of someone going to the basket hard to create an opportunity, but I don't know who that guy is on this team?

Tonight's real life answer, with 10 seconds to go and the game tied at 66, the play is Simmons to Kaminski for a contested 3 pointer that is an air ball. Terrible look. Terrible possession.

0 points in the last 2:18 of the game.
0 FG in the last 4 minutes.

When the going got tough, we had nowhere to go, which once again, was my concern and the point of the original post.
The guy who should be THE GUY at the end, in my opinion, should be Jaaron. Then he can either get to the rim, or draw in the defense to be the distributor to KK, Tony, or Dartis - as long as Tony is making his home closer to the paint than 3pt land.
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Chicken George
12/22/2016 2:22 PM
Can't blame him, but it appears Tony is trying to tweak his game to increase his draft stock vs. focusing on what this team needs and what will work against mid-major competition. At this level and based on what this team doesn't have, we need him in the paint and playing strong. Right now he's flirting with being a perimeter guy; trying to add a mid-range game; struggling to guard the post; and finding himself either on the bench or playing timid due to constant foul trouble. We don't need any of these things from him. This team needs an interior presence and he's the guy on this roster that can get that done. We have plenty of other guys who can hoist 3 pointers, leave that to them, even though he's not terrible at it.
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OU_Country
12/22/2016 2:25 PM
Chicken George wrote:expand_more
Can't blame him, but it appears Tony is trying to tweak his game to increase his draft stock vs. focusing on what this team needs and what will work against mid-major competition. At this level and based on what this team doesn't have, we need him in the paint and playing strong. Right now he's flirting with being a perimeter guy; trying to add a mid-range game; struggling to guard the post; and finding himself either on the bench or playing timid due to constant foul trouble. We don't need any of these things from him. This team needs an interior presence and he's the guy on this roster that can get that done. We have plenty of other guys who can hoist 3 pointers, leave that to them, even though he's not terrible at it.
Exactly. Ohio needs his FG attempts to roughly be 2/3 inside 10-15 feet, 1/3 from the arc. In fairness, I don't know what the numbers really are.
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RSBobcat
12/22/2016 11:57 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Can't blame him, but it appears Tony is trying to tweak his game to increase his draft stock vs. focusing on what this team needs and what will work against mid-major competition. At this level and based on what this team doesn't have, we need him in the paint and playing strong. Right now he's flirting with being a perimeter guy; trying to add a mid-range game; struggling to guard the post; and finding himself either on the bench or playing timid due to constant foul trouble. We don't need any of these things from him. This team needs an interior presence and he's the guy on this roster that can get that done. We have plenty of other guys who can hoist 3 pointers, leave that to them, even though he's not terrible at it.
Exactly. Ohio needs his FG attempts to roughly be 2/3 inside 10-15 feet, 1/3 from the arc. In fairness, I don't know what the numbers really are.
AND - getting some opposing bigs in some PF trouble - not just him on the other end and they are free to hack away at him - or just watch for good rebound position while he launches wide open from 20+ feet.....
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