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GoCats105
1/25/2017 9:18 AM
Seems to me like the gold standard of having a guy who can shoot 40% from three is increasing. There are tons of guys shooting 50% from three or better, some of them include guys who have attempted 100 or more threes already this season.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/statistics/pl...

Kenny and Jordy are both shooting around 44%, which doesn't even crack the Top 100 nationally based on this list. If you put a minimum attempt number in there, I'm sure the percentage variance would go down. Mike is statistically the best three ball shooter on the roster, but he's only attempted 13 of them. Both Gavin and TC are under 40 on the year, but are hovering around a respectable 35% range.

But I still found this interesting that it seems like teams are not only shooting more threes, but maybe getting better? Anyone else have any more research to see if this is an upward trend?
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Deciduous Forest Cat
1/25/2017 9:21 AM
If you read Dan Dantoni's rant from a few weeks ago, he has all kinds of metrics that say the corner 3 is the best shot in basketball. Lots of variables to every type of shot, but I think many if not most college coaches subscribe to any open 3 as being the most efficient shot.
Last Edited: 1/25/2017 9:22:07 AM by Deciduous Forest Cat
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
1/25/2017 9:33 AM
A thought that has occurred to me: The two-point shot is quickly becoming what the running game in the NFL is, isn't it — a chore required to set up the pass/the 3-point shot?

Tangent: Basketball was always more open to inventive ways than football , so this change in the landscape isn't quite as jarring. I was watching a 1994 college football game the other day on the ESPN app and it's just a completely different game now. Even those RichRod West Virginia teams of the early 2000s look quaint, like a base college football offense, compared to what we watch now.

On the hoops side, there have always been mavericks in college basketball and the NBA that looked outside the box and concocted systems that could produce 130 points per game. We're just now seeing those systems become so efficient that they win championships, it seems to me.
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OUVan
1/25/2017 9:54 AM
The three point shot is a game changer but teams that rely on it too much are vulnerable because there are nights when you just can't shoot straight. That and if you can't do anything but spot shooting you are easy to defend. We saw that against Eastern where they challenged us to beat them off the dribble and we just couldn't do it.
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GoCats105
1/25/2017 9:56 AM
Brian Smith wrote:expand_more
A thought that has occurred to me: The two-point shot is quickly becoming what the running game in the NFL is, isn't it — a chore required to set up the pass/the 3-point shot?

Tangent: Basketball was always more open to inventive ways than football , so this change in the landscape isn't quite as jarring. I was watching a 1994 college football game the other day on the ESPN app and it's just a completely different game now. Even those RichRod West Virginia teams of the early 2000s look quaint, like a base college football offense, compared to what we watch now.

On the hoops side, there have always been mavericks in college basketball and the NBA that looked outside the box and concocted systems that could produce 130 points per game. We're just now seeing those systems become so efficient that they win championships, it seems to me.
I was talking about this exact thing with a work associate the other day. The Warriors and other teams that have four or five guys on the floor at any given time who can shoot and make threes consistently are inherently more dangerous than a team with two or three guys who can get in the paint, I think. Golden State proved you can win like that.
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OU_Country
1/25/2017 10:52 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Seems to me like the gold standard of having a guy who can shoot 40% from three is increasing. There are tons of guys shooting 50% from three or better, some of them include guys who have attempted 100 or more threes already this season.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/statistics/pl...

Kenny and Jordy are both shooting around 44%, which doesn't even crack the Top 100 nationally based on this list. If you put a minimum attempt number in there, I'm sure the percentage variance would go down. Mike is statistically the best three ball shooter on the roster, but he's only attempted 13 of them. Both Gavin and TC are under 40 on the year, but are hovering around a respectable 35% range.

But I still found this interesting that it seems like teams are not only shooting more threes, but maybe getting better? Anyone else have any more research to see if this is an upward trend?
For the sake of comparison, I sorted the list by 3pt attempted, and the percentages come down for many of those players. So the higher volume shooters tend to not make that high of a percentage, but there are plenty in the 35-40% range, which isn't bad.
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BillyTheCat
1/25/2017 11:57 AM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
If you read Dan Dantoni's rant from a few weeks ago, he has all kinds of metrics that say the corner 3 is the best shot in basketball. Lots of variables to every type of shot, but I think many if not most college coaches subscribe to any open 3 as being the most efficient shot.
Bring back Scarberry!!!!
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rpbobcat
1/25/2017 12:15 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
I was talking about this exact thing with a work associate the other day. The Warriors and other teams that have four or five guys on the floor at any given time who can shoot and make threes consistently are inherently more dangerous than a team with two or three guys who can get in the paint, I think. Golden State proved you can win like that.
I'm not a big NBA fan,but I have watched parts the Knicks games,hoping to see Mo.

I wonder is part of the reason that there are so many good 3 point shooters is because there is virtually no defense ?
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oldkatz
1/25/2017 12:35 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
If you read Dan Dantoni's rant from a few weeks ago, he has all kinds of metrics that say the corner 3 is the best shot in basketball. Lots of variables to every type of shot, but I think many if not most college coaches subscribe to any open 3 as being the most efficient shot.
Bring back Scarberry!!!!
Yeah.....it's his turn to buy at Tony's!
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bshot44
1/25/2017 3:43 PM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
The three point shot is a game changer but teams that rely on it too much are vulnerable because there are nights when you just can't shoot straight. That and if you can't do anything but spot shooting you are easy to defend. We saw that against Eastern where they challenged us to beat them off the dribble and we just couldn't do it.
So true on the EMU front. I watched a little of the 2H between EMU/Ball last night and it made me puke knowing that Ohio lost to EMU. Ball State (Ball FREAKIN State) totally diced them up on offense. They attacked the zone to perfection...got easy lay-ups and open 3pt attempts.

It was amazing to see how befuddled we looked against that zone in the 2H vs. EMU....but Ball State was able to dissect it with ease.

I know the 3pt shot is a big part of basketball now and the focal point for many....but you have to have a little balance or at least an option of getting the ball to the rim. Simmons seems to be getting better at that the later we get in the season. I saw Dartis do it a few times....but a majority fo the time, Ohio just doesn't do a good job of at least showing they're a threat to go to the basket.
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GoCats105
1/25/2017 4:19 PM
bshot44 wrote:expand_more
The three point shot is a game changer but teams that rely on it too much are vulnerable because there are nights when you just can't shoot straight. That and if you can't do anything but spot shooting you are easy to defend. We saw that against Eastern where they challenged us to beat them off the dribble and we just couldn't do it.
So true on the EMU front. I watched a little of the 2H between EMU/Ball last night and it made me puke knowing that Ohio lost to EMU. Ball State (Ball FREAKIN State) totally diced them up on offense. They attacked the zone to perfection...got easy lay-ups and open 3pt attempts.

It was amazing to see how befuddled we looked against that zone in the 2H vs. EMU....but Ball State was able to dissect it with ease.

I know the 3pt shot is a big part of basketball now and the focal point for many....but you have to have a little balance or at least an option of getting the ball to the rim. Simmons seems to be getting better at that the later we get in the season. I saw Dartis do it a few times....but a majority fo the time, Ohio just doesn't do a good job of at least showing they're a threat to go to the basket.
I think this still just goes back to the offense not clicking like it did last year. Even Saul said in the EMU post game, it's not like they just forgot how to attack the EMU zone, they had done it pretty well last year. For whatever reason the offense just isn't what it was last season.
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