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Topic: When will Thad Matta be relieved of his duties ?
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bornacatfan
1/30/2017 10:58 PM
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Problem is .....what makes tO$U a better job than Butler and why would Chris leave a school where Hoops is king in a state where Basketball is king for a job where basketball is a second thought.
I understand your points. But, here's why:

$15-$20 million over 5-6 years.

No brainer.
No Brainer for some, I do not think so here ....Taylor grad making 2.2 M a year and a part of the Butler Way in a community that loves him.....playing for top spot in the Big East (arguably a better hoops conference) with jets, facilities, tradition, top team in the U billing and anything he needs at his disposal and multiple levels of support? If you don't know of Coach Patterson as a mentor, Taylor U and the ethics, morals and humility they teach or the depth of what is known as the Butler Way.... well, I got nothing for you ....the extra money pales in comparison to what being part of those communities give a person. I would be flabbergasted if he even interviewed....but I have been wrong before.
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Buckeye to Bobcat
1/30/2017 11:10 PM
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Buckeye to Bobcat, if you're correct and all three head coaches (Ohio State, Indiana and Illinois) get fired, Ohio State would probably pay the most with the least amount of stress. The other schools see basketball as bigger than football on their campus. I am still hopeful Coach Groce survives.
If I had to put 1-10 scale on who gets fired in the Big Ten, it would go something like this:

Collins (NU), Izzo (MSU), Beilein (UM), Turgeon (Maryland), Painter (PU), Gard (UW) =0 They are doing wondrous jobs and would take at least 4 years to undo what they've done and put them in similar situations. Though I will say out of this group, Beilein is due to retire soon and Gard has only been there two years and was given job by Bo Ryan.

Pikiell (RU) =0 First year on the job, intrigued by what he brings in recruiting wise, looking at a lot of projects from what I saw at flying to the hoop. Better be good developer of talent or he'll be out in 3 years tops.

Chambers =1 Safe for this year, is at a football school fortunately. That said, heat turns up big time next year if they miss again after bringing in his "best" recruiting class and hockey and football now being great, someone is going to develop idea to do same to BBALL.

McCaffery (Iowa) =3 His shtick of being a prick is going to catch up to him in the next couple years if they don't put together a tough NCAA outing here in the next year or two. Really thought Iowa was close to turning corner last couple of years but momentum has died and coule mire in middle of Big Ten for the next couple of years. PREDICTION=STAYS, BUT SEAT WARMS UP

Miles (NEB) =3 Tricky one to read. From what i gather so far: 5 years at Nebraska, still struggling to turn corner. From everything I heard, next year is year for them to make noise in Big Ten. If he doesn't make dance next season, heat goes up. Of course, rumblings out of Lincoln about unhappiness about football coach losing poorly down the stretch this year. Would AD want to make two big hires in same season? PREDICTION=STAYS, BUT SEAT WARMS UP

Pitino (Minny) =5 New AD is in, still recovering from previous athletic regime in which he overused university planes and such to the tune of 5 figures. It is urgent for him to make NCAA's to show he's making progress. If he doesn't make NCAA, could make possible case for coaching change despite AD being in purgatory for firing football coach. That said, he made homerun hire in football, why not in basketball? PREDICTION=MAKES NCAA, SURVIVES

Matta (O$U) =7 Matta is feeling heat already for this season. Depending on who pulls the trigger in Columbus, he could see light. Pro for Matta: has been re-targeting his recruiting towards the state and has solid kids in 2018 class led by Goodwin out of Upper Arlington. Also, from what insiders say there he is re-committing to health big time. Cons: If bean-counters have their say in Columbus, losing 4K fans per game along with no-show of students could lead to serious problems. I get that football carries the day, but basketball has to be revenue producing or else, along with broken culture courtesy of the 2011 recruiting class (trust me these guys wouldn't have hacked it at Fiami even). Along with past health, does AD ask him nicely to leave or does he get one more?
PREDICTION=GIVEN ONE MORE YEAR, RETIRES

Crean (IU) =If he makes NCAA=5. If he misses NCAA=9. There will no sugarcoating what should have been a Sweet 16 team in Indiana that consistently gets out-coached and out-hustled by other teams. Fans in Bloomington are growing restless and are tired of seeing IU be in same spot consistently.
PREDICTION=MISSES NCAA TOURNAMENT, FIRED

Groce (ILL) =10 Since leaving Ohio for the greener pastures of Illinois, he has failed to create what he had here in Athens. Despite being 200 miles closer to Chicago and being a wiz kid recruiter, he has not landed the Chicago kids as effectively as he needs to. Combine this with what I would argue as one of the 5 worst run athletic departments in the country (I argue due to booster meddling over the years and it shows), you have the recipe for a firing and new coach. New AD there in the last year and has shown he isn't afraid to make a change, especially after interim coach was given permanent tag, and hastily fired within first 72 hours on the job. Despite what some argue is a top 10 class coming on campus, I don't think this is enough to save his job unless he wins his last 10 games in a row. PREDICTION=Goes .500 again, FIRED

Would be more than willing to do something similar for MACtion for those interested.
Last Edited: 1/30/2017 11:11:04 PM by Buckeye to Bobcat
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cbus cat fan
1/31/2017 10:09 AM
Very intriguing Big 10 assessment Buckeye to Bobcat, would be interested in hearing your take on the MAC.
Last Edited: 1/31/2017 10:11:38 AM by cbus cat fan
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OU_Country
1/31/2017 11:39 AM
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:expand_more
Matta (O$U) =7 Matta is feeling heat already for this season. Depending on who pulls the trigger in Columbus, he could see light. Pro for Matta: has been re-targeting his recruiting towards the state and has solid kids in 2018 class led by Goodwin out of Upper Arlington. Also, from what insiders say there he is re-committing to health big time. Cons: If bean-counters have their say in Columbus, losing 4K fans per game along with no-show of students could lead to serious problems. I get that football carries the day, but basketball has to be revenue producing or else, along with broken culture courtesy of the 2011 recruiting class (trust me these guys wouldn't have hacked it at Fiami even). Along with past health, does AD ask him nicely to leave or does he get one more?
PREDICTION=GIVEN ONE MORE YEAR, RETIRES

Crean (IU) =If he makes NCAA=5. If he misses NCAA=9. There will no sugarcoating what should have been a Sweet 16 team in Indiana that consistently gets out-coached and out-hustled by other teams. Fans in Bloomington are growing restless and are tired of seeing IU be in same spot consistently.
PREDICTION=MISSES NCAA TOURNAMENT, FIRED

Groce (ILL) =10 Since leaving Ohio for the greener pastures of Illinois, he has failed to create what he had here in Athens. Despite being 200 miles closer to Chicago and being a wiz kid recruiter, he has not landed the Chicago kids as effectively as he needs to. Combine this with what I would argue as one of the 5 worst run athletic departments in the country (I argue due to booster meddling over the years and it shows), you have the recipe for a firing and new coach. New AD there in the last year and has shown he isn't afraid to make a change, especially after interim coach was given permanent tag, and hastily fired within first 72 hours on the job. Despite what some argue is a top 10 class coming on campus, I don't think this is enough to save his job unless he wins his last 10 games in a row. PREDICTION=Goes .500 again, FIRED

Would be more than willing to do something similar for MACtion for those interested.
Sadly, I agree on Coach Groce unless the trend changes. Matta's situation is interesting, but I can't see him being let go.

Crean is what I really wanted to comment on. IU has been so up and down this year, and the loss of the big man (forget the name at the moment) really hurt them. Going to tournaments is and should be their expectation, but factoring in injuries has to be a part of it too. I think overall Crean has done fairly well.
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OhioCatFan
1/31/2017 12:13 PM
Just had a horrible, nightmarish, thought. Groce is canned at Illinois and is hired at Miami. Ghost of Grunkemeyer! Please wake me up and tell me it was all a bad dream . . .
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OU_Country
1/31/2017 2:45 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
Just had a horrible, nightmarish, thought. Groce is canned at Illinois and is hired at Miami. Ghost of Grunkemeyer! Please wake me up and tell me it was all a bad dream . . .
Maybe a MVC school has an opening and he goes there instead? Indiana State and Evansville aren't having the best of years. Other alternatives might include a few A-10 schools. Duquesne?

Just a thought that there are some places that might be better than Miami. I'm sure it depends on the amount of investment they'd be willing to make for a coaching staffs salaries and facilities upgrades for basketball.
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Buckeye to Bobcat
1/31/2017 3:53 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Just had a horrible, nightmarish, thought. Groce is canned at Illinois and is hired at Miami. Ghost of Grunkemeyer! Please wake me up and tell me it was all a bad dream . . .
Maybe a MVC school has an opening and he goes there instead? Indiana State and Evansville aren't having the best of years. Other alternatives might include a few A-10 schools. Duquesne?

Just a thought that there are some places that might be better than Miami. I'm sure it depends on the amount of investment they'd be willing to make for a coaching staffs salaries and facilities upgrades for basketball.
Not to go sounding off on Miami again, but development staff told me they are debating tearing down their arena and building new or gutting arena and rebuilding it.
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cbus cat fan
1/31/2017 4:08 PM
Well that would have implications for other MAC schools. In this day of complaining about over sized stadiums and arenas, I am not sure how well that would be received by some, but it would be a warning shot for some schools with aging arenas. Millett Hall always reminded me of an arena one would find in the old Soviet Bloc. It wasn't built much before our beloved Convo, but with all of the aesthetics of an East German master planner circa 1968.
Last Edited: 1/31/2017 4:09:38 PM by cbus cat fan
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Buckeye to Bobcat
1/31/2017 4:53 PM
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Very intriguing Big 10 assessment Buckeye to Bobcat, would be interested in hearing your take on the MAC.
Ask and yee shall receive. I will update this tomorrow due to attending game in a bit but start to get an idea for thoughts on this.

#Saulball=-10
Although I rip our football staff for not recruiting in-state enough, Saul and Co. do a great job of tearing up the state recruiting. Great personality who fits the mold of the Bo Ryan family tree with great energy guys (Miles, McDormett) that will ultimately be running big time programs. This couldn't be a better match between coach and school. That said, finding replacement for Tony becomes highest of priorities in next two recruiting cycles and hanging onto assistants could become problem here in the next few.
PREDICTION: WINS MAC WITHIN 3 YEARS, BOLTS FOR BIGGER JOB MAYBE SOONER

Keith Dambrot: Akron=-10
A coach who has continued to do an excellent job despite our hatred for Akron. Has done a great job recruiting his region and rarely lets kids from backyard get out to other schools if he wants him. Always has a physical team but undisciplined (see off court arrests). Nonetheless, Akron would be foolish to ever push him out door.
PREDICTION: WINS A FEW MORE MAC TITLES, WILL RETIRE AT AKRON AS 2nd BEST COACH ALL TIME AT AKRON.

James Whitford: Ball State=1
Doing a solid job at a school I've never been impressed with. Seems to be hitting stride here in terms of talent and roster. Of course things can change and needs extension, but I think he will get one after winning division this year at Ball State.

Michael Huger: BGSU=1
2nd year after the previous coaching scandals, Huger still seems to be finding feet at BGSU. Will not be fired this year, despite new AD, but heat will come on him in year 3 due to AD scenario and new arena shine starting to wear off.
PREDICTION: GOES ONE MORE YEAR, THEN GETS FIRED

Nate Oats: Buffalo=1
Year two of continuing the Bobby Hurley experiment in Buffalo after winning MAC in Round 1. Seems to be getting a good grasp on recruiting, especially getting Graves out of SVSM in Akron. No need for a prediction here, still early in his legacy to decide if he will move up or not, but winning here would be nice to show that he's a good coach.


Mark Montgomery: NIU=2
Year 5 for Montgomery, and all signs pointed to them beginning to make noise this year. Haven't made a whole lot of it, but has good freshman that will only help his cause. That said, heat turns up in the next year as he will be asked to win more next year, especially with current state of the MAC West.

John Cooper: Miami=10
From sources at Miami, "He's coaching like he's a lame duck." Although he had a good find with his freshman class, didn't do enough in his time of recruiting in-state. Never saw him once at Flying to the Hoop despite the event being within 30 miles of him. Anywho, unless he goes on a tear and wins the MAC, consider this one an open job, perhaps John Groce will take this??
PREDICTION: FIRED

Rob Senderoff: Kent State

Steve Hawkins: WMU
For being one of the MAC's better programs, losing Tava to Jim "Carpetbagger" Christian has hurt this program royally. Consider this a rebuilding year for Western Michigan, Hawkins will need to find roots tonight. Will have more information on this one after tonight's game and talking with my contacts in Kalamazoo.
PREDICTION=LOSES BIG THIS YEAR, REGAINS SWAGGER WITHIN TWO YEARS

Tod Kowalczyk: Toledo=2
A coach who seems to have Toledo stuck in neutral again after almost making the NCAAs a couple years ago. His NW Ohio experiment in recruiting did not take off as well as he hoped, so he has raided the east side of Ohio. Based off kids he's bringing in, nothing there impressed me all that much in terms of their talent level. Based off that, would say he's not as good as a talent evaluator and in turn will bite him in two years. Heat will turn up in next year to get there, but will realistically last two more seasons.

Keno Davis: CMU

Rob Murphy: Eastern Michigan

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