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OhioBobcat
3/10/2017 10:27 PM
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Just get to Cleveland!! I came from California, so seriously, just get your a$$es to Cleveland!
Disappointed you didn't bring Monroe with you.
Ohio basketball has won too many MAC Championships for his liking, it rubs him the wrong way.
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Alan Swank
3/10/2017 10:28 PM
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Larry's last year we lost in semi's after Grunk hit the 40-footer.

And Tom Boeh's hair caught on fire. What a sight that was.
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3/10/2017 10:29 PM
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Losing in semi-finals again, very Larry Hunter of Saul.
I'm so torn - because on one hand I'm upset with the results to date and I agree with you. Very TOS/Hunter-esque.

Then again, on the other hand, I don't want to kick a team when they're down. They obviously have a lot of heart and gave it their all. They just weren't good enough. No shame in that.

I made the point a week ago - after we lost at home to Buffalo - that this team just is what it is - and that's not a team that's going to win the MAC....and they didn't. So guess I shouldn't be that upset or surprised with the end results.

What I'm more disappointed by is the general style of play and recruits of #SaulBall. Can't emphasize enough how much I like Saul as a person, and appreciate his apparent love for Athens/OU. But we're 3 years into a regime with 0 NCAA tournament appearances, 0 NIT appearances, and a total of 2 MAC tournament game victories with 0 MACC game appearances. In my mind, he's got another year or two max unless those numbers change.

But my problem is - in March, come tournament time when you're playing multiple games on successive days (tired legs) - you have to have guys who can generate easy buckets (can't rely on jump shooters). You have to have a/couple dominant post players who can score at the rim or on put backs/offensive boards. The other piece is - defense travels, your shot doesn't. Better have a team that can lock down on the defensive end during those ugly low scoring games. Bonus is the ability to force some turnovers to generate some easy layups and run outs for those easy buckets. Last point is - when it's crunch time and the refs swallow the whistle, or when you're playing in the NIT/NCAA tournaments - you HAVE to have the athletes to match up (both in size, strength and quickness) to get a tough rebound, contest a shot, prevent dribble penetration, create your own space to get a shot off etc.

I see NONE of those things from #SaulBall so far - which gives me little hope that those 3 year numbers I cited above are going to change any time soon.
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cbus cat fan
3/10/2017 10:33 PM
What a strange series of events tonight. For some inexplicable reason, Jason is put under the referee's microscope and fouls out. He wasn't playing any differently than any other game. When he was out in the last 10 minutes of the first half the offense was as listless as a piece of driftwood in the Atlantic. We had a several minute stretch where we had no points and no offensive rebounds.

We crawl back into the game in the second half against all odds and Jaaron dribbles the game out. I never saw this happen when I was coaching high school and it happens to someone of Jaaron's caliber? We had too many weapons and too many games where we did ourselves in with self inflicted wounds.

I don't like to bring up crazy men, but sometimes even crazy men have a point. I posted here sometime ago about the late Rick Majerus getting a couple of T's in game with Ball State, and when asked why he stated that the players needed to know that they were too talented to fool people into thinking they were that bad.

The second crazy man example involves the infamous Bill Musselman. When I was involved in high school coaching we played in a larger arena for a tournament game. When the janitor let us in he stated; "boys you got the Musselman locker room." When we inquired what that meant, he told us that when Bill Musselman coached Ashland College (sometime in the mid 1960s) one night he became so upset at the team's play that he made them sit in the locker room until they could visually remember all of their mistakes. At 2:30 am the janitor had to summon a police officer to physically persuade Coach Musselman to leave the locker room so the janitorial staff could clean up and go home.

I am not suggesting Coach Phillips go full Bill Mussellman but we have way too much talent to have consistently made the same mistakes all season. Sometimes in order to make the needed changes, it must hurt a great deal in order that those changes be made.
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Alan Swank
3/10/2017 10:38 PM
cbus cat fan wrote:expand_more
What a strange series of events tonight. For some inexplicable reason, Jason is put under the referee's microscope and fouls out. He wasn't playing any differently than any other game. When he was out in the last 10 minutes of the first half the offense was as listless as a piece of driftwood in the Atlantic. We had a several minute stretch where we had no points and no rebounds.

We crawl back into the game in the second half against all odds and Jaaron dribbles the game out. I never saw this happen when I was coaching high school and it happens to someone of Jaaron's caliber? We had too many weapons and too many games where we did ourselves in with self inflicted wounds.

I don't like to bring up crazy men, but sometimes even crazy men have a point. I posted here sometime ago about the late Rick Majerus getting a couple of T's in game with Ball State, and when asked why he stated that the players needed to know that they were too talented to fool people into thinking they were that bad.

The second crazy man example involves the infamous Bill Musselman. When I was involved in high school coaching we played in a larger arena for a tournament game. When the janitor let us in he stated; "boys you got the Musselman locker room." When we inquired what that meant, he told us that when Bill Musselman coached Ashland College one night he became so upset at the team's play that he made them sit in the locker room until they could visually remember all of their mistakes. At 2:30 am the janitor had to summon a police officer to physically persuade Coach Musselman to leave the locker room so the janitorial staff could clean up and go home.

I am not suggesting Coach Phillips go full Bill Mussellman but we have way too much talent to have consistently made the same mistakes all season. Sometimes in order to make the needed changes, it must hurt a great deal in order that those changes be made.
Can't believe you invoked the guy who led the hippo stomp while at Minnesota. I get your point but poor example to make it.
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cbus cat fan
3/10/2017 10:43 PM
Alan, your pulling your straw man routine again. I stated that Bill Musselman was a crazy man, but I used an Ashland example not Minnesota. Bob Huggins is as beloved a players coach as any out there, and he uses more with less talent than just about anyone. He certainly doesn't use the kinder, gentler coaching model either. Is that another wrong analogy too? Most importantly, what is incorrect about my analysis?
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oubobcatjohn
3/10/2017 10:48 PM
Tough loss tonite. Kent State hit some big shots late and that was the difference. This team gave it a good effort. Simmons carried this team as far as he could. Ran out of time. Rough nite for Dartis and Carter, but they had great seasons and should be even better next coming year. Block really showed he game with his defense and competitiveness. Kaminski hit big shots for us. Taylor had a great game. He will be a beast and police the paint next couple years.
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Alan Swank
3/10/2017 11:13 PM
cbus cat fan wrote:expand_more
Alan, your pulling your straw man routine again. I stated that Bill Musselman was a crazy man, but I used an Ashland example not Minnesota. Bob Huggins is as beloved a players coach as any out there, and he uses more with less talent than just about anyone. He certainly doesn't use the kinder, gentler coaching model either. Is that another wrong analogy too? Most importantly, what is incorrect about my analysis?
A man doesn't change just because he changes schools. He was a nut case at Ashland and a demon at MN. Find a better example.
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3/10/2017 11:14 PM
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...I made the point a week ago - after we lost at home to Buffalo - that this team just is what it is - and that's not a team that's going to win the MAC....and they didn't..
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curious why you didn't make that point when we beat Akron by 15?



What I'm more disappointed by is the general style of play and recruits of #SaulBall. Can't emphasize enough how much I like Saul as a person, and appreciate his apparent love for Athens/OU. But we're 3 years into a regime with 0 NCAA tournament appearances, 0 NIT appearances, and a total of 2 MAC tournament game victories with 0 MACC game appearances. In my mind, he's got another year or two max unless those numbers change.

Name 2 coaches that have met your criteria for success at the 3yr mark.



But my problem is - in March, come tournament time when you're playing multiple games on successive days (tired legs) - you have to have guys who can generate easy buckets (can't rely on jump shooters). You have to have a/couple dominant post players who can score at the rim or on put backs/offensive boards.

You mean like the guy sitton the bench with his foot in a cast and his replacement that got called for 4 ticky tack fouls?



The other piece is - defense travels, your shot doesn't. Better have a team that can lock down on the defensive end during those ugly low scoring games. Bonus is the ability to force some turnovers to generate some easy layups and run outs for those easy buckets.

Toledo and kent were held to >42% shooting and had 24 turnovers. Kent shot 33% from 3.



[QUOTE=GraffZ06]Last point is - when it's crunch time and the refs swallow the whistle, or when you're playing in the NIT/NCAA tournaments - you HAVE to have the athletes to match up (both in size, strength and quickness) to get a tough rebound, contest a shot, prevent dribble penetration, create your own space to get a shot off etc.

I see NONE of those things from #SaulBall so far - which gives me little hope that those 3 year numbers I cited above are going to change any time soon.

You didn't see any tough rebounds, contested shots or anyone creating shots off the dribble from any of our players? you didn't see it, or you didn't want to see it?
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Deciduous Forest Cat
3/10/2017 11:17 PM
Kent defended us as well as anyone has in years. You don't win the Mac with only two players producing.
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giacomo
3/10/2017 11:18 PM
Listen to yourselves. Completely ridiculous.
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allen
3/10/2017 11:31 PM
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Kent defended us as well as anyone has in years. You don't win the Mac with only two players producing.
We definitely need more depth, too many scroring droughts at the end of the games this year. Hopefully year 4 will yield better results. Hope the team can go to Europe this summer. Everyone needs to add to their game. Also telling Culver and Block their offense isn't needed is not good. both need to be able to contribute on both ends of the court. Culver averaged 20 plus in high school, why does he have to be a defensive specialist. You can't have two defensive specialist on a team that goes 7 deep. Hopefeully with transformational servant leadership we can get our players to play great next year. Go Cats
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oubobcatjohn
3/10/2017 11:41 PM
If we had Tony Campbell we like rolled thru this tournament and he would have smoked Hall and Big Dog. That was the difference. Campbell could guard those guys one on one and put those guys on the bench with foul trouble. Carter and Taylor did a great job these past couple months, but Campbell was the MAC mvp last year for a reason. That injury really took us from being a legit threat to not only reach the NCAA tournament but advance past the first round. Campbell was the difference between a great team and a good team. He was a senior and was replaced with a freshmen. In big games that is a huge difference. Carter and Taylor will learn not to waste fouls early in games. Teams like Ohio with undersized and limited bigs need their bigs to be smart about fouls. Once we got into a little foul trouble Hall went to work on us. Carter fouling 20 seconds into the game on the first offensive possession hurt. He could not be aggressive the entire game. Saul got this team to play good defense this year. This team was improved a lot compared to last year. We also played the season without Harley, Monpremier and Gallon due injury add in the Campbell injury and is four players that were missing from the rotation. Saul did a pretty good job when you consider he had a quarter of his roster missing in action. We got to semis with two freshmen and three sophomores in the rotation.
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Tom Valentino
3/10/2017 11:47 PM
For all intents and purposes, our conference title hopes should have died the day Tony Campbell broke his ankle. That we were even in this position is a testament to the rest of the players and the coaching staff. Maybe it sounds like an excuse, but take the best player off any other team in the MAC and do they do any better? And we lost the best player in the *entire conference*.

That said, tonight hurts and it will for a while.

Just such a strange game. 8 total assists for the team. So many solid 3-point shooters, and for about the first 18 minutes of the 2nd half, we had one attempt behind the arc. Jason Carter getting into foul trouble was backbreaking (not to mention the circumstances of several of those calls...). Doug Taylor did about as well as you could hope for, but Jimmy Hall was just a monster and they fed him the ball in the post on virtually every possession. Once the Bobcats started collapsing on him, Kent's perimeter guys just kept making shots. Add in the fact that on so many offensive possessions, it seemed like we had all five guys running back on defense and no one looking to crash the glass. Just four offensive boards for the entire game.

Again, I hate to beat a dead horse, but the way this game was lost, it's impossible for me to wonder what tonight looks like with Big Tone in the post going toe-to-toe with Hall.

I'm with a lot of others on here. I'm not interested in a third-rate postseason tournament this year. Shut it down, regroup and reload over the summer, and let's roll with Jaaron, Jason, Jordy and Co.
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3/10/2017 11:54 PM
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For all intents and purposes, our conference title hopes should have died the day Tony Campbell broke his ankle. That we were even in this position is a testament to the rest of the players and the coaching staff. Maybe it sounds like an excuse, but take the best player off any other team in the MAC and do they do any better? And we lost the best player in the *entire conference*.

That said, tonight hurts and it will for a while.

Just such a strange game. 8 total assists for the team. So many solid 3-point shooters, and for about the first 18 minutes of the 2nd half, we had one attempt behind the arc. Jason Carter getting into foul trouble was backbreaking (not to mention the circumstances of several of those calls...). Doug Taylor did about as well as you could hope for, but Jimmy Hall was just a monster and they fed him the ball in the post on virtually every possession. Once the Bobcats started collapsing on him, Kent's perimeter guys just kept making shots. Add in the fact that on so many offensive possessions, it seemed like we had all five guys running back on defense and no one looking to crash the glass. Just four offensive boards for the entire game.

Again, I hate to beat a dead horse, but the way this game was lost, it's impossible for me to wonder what tonight looks like with Big Tone in the post going toe-to-toe with Hall.

I'm with a lot of others on here. I'm not interested in a third-rate postseason tournament this year. Shut it down, regroup and reload over the summer, and let's roll with Jaaron, Jason, Jordy and Co.
And hope that Jaaron stays for his senior year if he graduates this spring. I would hate for him to leave for a high major team but I wouldn't blame him for it. If he stays he joins Dartis, Culver, Laster and Butler as a solid guard unit and will have Carter and Taylor with Vander Plas and Gareri in the post/wing and Block and Gollon providing glue. We are going to be solid next year. I think Butler is going to be a difference maker.
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Tom Valentino
3/11/2017 12:08 AM
Yeah...I didn't really want to even bring that up with regards to Jaaron, but it's at least a possibility. Just have to hope he wants to stick with the program he's flourished with for one more year.
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allen
3/11/2017 12:31 AM
Simmons is definitely worth the Deandre Jordan treatment, we need to keep him.
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3/11/2017 1:18 AM
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...I made the point a week ago - after we lost at home to Buffalo - that this team just is what it is - and that's not a team that's going to win the MAC....and they didn't..

curious why you didn't make that point when we beat Akron by 15? [/QUOTE]Because one good win (or one bad loss) doesn't make a season? Statistical variance.

I posted after Buffalo - that I started this season with high hopes. Was disappointed with early results, then lost all hope when TC got hurt. Then when Laster and Carter picked up their game from nowhere and we got adapted and strung together some wins, I changed my mind and thought we might actually have a shot - until we couldn't put away mid to top tier teams on our home floor. To me, that was enough evidence to know what we were - and that was a decent but not great MAC team that played with heart and toughness but didn't have enough talent, athletes or depth to go anywhere.


What I'm more disappointed by is the general style of play and recruits of #SaulBall. Can't emphasize enough how much I like Saul as a person, and appreciate his apparent love for Athens/OU. But we're 3 years into a regime with 0 NCAA tournament appearances, 0 NIT appearances, and a total of 2 MAC tournament game victories with 0 MACC game appearances. In my mind, he's got another year or two max unless those numbers change.

Name 2 coaches that have met your criteria for success at the 3yr mark.
John Groce. After 3 years he had 6 MAC tourney wins, 1 championship, 1 NCAA appearance and an NCAA win. 6-2 in MAC tourney vs. 2-3 with Saul. I'd add that I'm not calling for the guy to be fired though. Even without those stats at the 3 year mark. That's why I said I'd give him 1-2 more years to change it. If we're one and done the next 2 years or have 0 'ships...not good.


But my problem is - in March, come tournament time when you're playing multiple games on successive days (tired legs) - you have to have guys who can generate easy buckets (can't rely on jump shooters). You have to have a/couple dominant post players who can score at the rim or on put backs/offensive boards.

You mean like the guy sitton the bench with his foot in a cast and his replacement that got called for 4 ticky tack fouls?
For sure Tone would have helped. But even with him, early this year - he seemed to fall in love with shooting the 3 for "the NBA" and played very timid and passive away from the bucket IMO. We still lost to the powerhouse likes of Marshall and Western Kentucky even with him.


The other piece is - defense travels, your shot doesn't. Better have a team that can lock down on the defensive end during those ugly low scoring games. Bonus is the ability to force some turnovers to generate some easy layups and run outs for those easy buckets.

Toledo and kent were held to >42% shooting and had 24 turnovers. Kent shot 33% from 3.
We were better on D this year than last. Not sure I'd call us a tough, physical defensive team or a defensive juggernaut though. We averaged < 6 steals and < 3 blocks per game. Consistently we were slow on defensive rotations and allowed dribble penetration (a lot of that is just lack of foot work and foot speed IMO) that allowed open looks or caused fouls. Some of the stats listed above are because we played some teams that weren't that great offensively too. But I'll give Saul credit here. We saw improvement. We need lots more of it. Hopefully that's a point of emphasis this offseason and we get even better. I just don't think it IS with Saul. Hope I'm wrong.


[QUOTE=GraffZ06]Last point is - when it's crunch time and the refs swallow the whistle, or when you're playing in the NIT/NCAA tournaments - you HAVE to have the athletes to match up (both in size, strength and quickness) to get a tough rebound, contest a shot, prevent dribble penetration, create your own space to get a shot off etc.

I see NONE of those things from #SaulBall so far - which gives me little hope that those 3 year numbers I cited above are going to change any time soon.

You didn't see any tough rebounds, contested shots or anyone creating shots off the dribble from any of our players? you didn't see it, or you didn't want to see it?
I saw it tonight from Doug Taylor. He was fantastic. Carter needs about 2 inches and 20 more pounds on him (I hope we see him add some weight/definition in due time). He'll never be very athletic, but he can make up for it with heart, hustle and positioning. Outside of that? Not really. Jaaron is a fantastic player but he can't consistently get to the rim and finish in traffic over/through big physical bigs like we'd face in an NCAA game. Block - nope. Laster - nope. Culver - not yet, maybe in time. Darty - I'd love to see him add to his physique and game and be more than a catch and shoot 3 guy too.

We have no Gary Trent. No Brandon Hunter. No Lewis Geter. No Curtis Simmons. Shoot, no Tarren Harbut or DeVaughn Washington. No Ivo Baltic. No Reggie Keely. And we definitely don't have any guards as physical as a Walt Offutt.

I don't see that changing with the next recruiting class, or any time soon either. Just not the style guys Saul recruits for his system unfortunately.
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3/11/2017 8:38 AM
Everyone was a little frustrated last night on the board with the circumstances of the game including myself and Alan Swank, who it seems fancies himself as the Socrates of the board, but came across as the old man who lived down the street when we were kids telling me to get off his lawn.

In the light of day after, it is still clear to me that we ran into a strange set of circumstances at the Q. If those fouls that were called against Jason were called against every big man, there would be no forwards or centers left by the end of any game. We were in the driver's seat for a while until Jason got his 2nd foul in the first half and then not only did we not score, but we never got any offensive rebounds. There was absolutely no offensive flow to the game when Jason was out. This strikes as more a psychological thing than anything else. This will have to be corrected for next year.

I really want Akron or Kent to win a tournament game in the Big Dance, but if I were a betting man my guess is they lose by 20. If Akron does go to the tournament, some of their fans don't make it any easier to cheer for them as I checked their board last night and they lamented about "the hill people" of Athens County descending upon Cleveland. They apparently don't like our O-H-I-O chant either, but one poster went on to lament it was better than anything they ever produced. We have a lot of potential and a lot of question marks on our team, but at this point, I guess it is wait until next year.
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3/11/2017 9:21 AM
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Everyone was a little frustrated last night on the board with the circumstances of the game including myself and Alan Swank, who it seems fancies himself as the Socrates of the board, but came across as the old man who lived down the street when we were kids telling me to get off his lawn.

In the light of day after, it is still clear to me that we ran into a strange set of circumstances at the Q. If those fouls that were called against Jason were called against every big man, there would be no forwards or centers left by the end of any game. We were in the driver's seat for a while until Jason got his 2nd foul in the first half and then not only did we not score, but we never got any offensive rebounds. There was absolutely no offensive flow to the game when Jason was out. This strikes as more a psychological thing than anything else. This will have to be corrected for next year.

I really want Akron or Kent to win a tournament game in the Big Dance, but if I were a betting man my guess is they lose by 20. If Akron does go to the tournament, some of their fans don't make it any easier to cheer for them as I checked their board last night and they lamented about "the hill people" of Athens County descending upon Cleveland. They apparently don't like our O-H-I-O chant either, but one poster went on to lament it was better than anything they ever produced. We have a lot of potential and a lot of question marks on our team, but at this point, I guess it is wait until next year.
So tell us old wise one since you seem to know everything about everything basketball. All of the fouls on Carter were legit. He just had one of those games where he was truly in the wrong place at the wrong time. It was one game. We've all seen how advanced his foot work is for a kid his age and there is only an upside to his career. His one fault in my opinion is that he tends to whine when he gets called for a foul. Has anyone ever seen a ref reverse a foul call because a player whined about it? To use your old man comparison, maybe we should go back to the old days when a guy had to raise his hand when called for a foul? Just kidding of course but I sure hope as an educator you aren't as condescending toward your students and faculty as you are toward certain targets on this board. Would be a tough place to work.
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3/11/2017 9:41 AM
Alan, I do hope from your post that you have not went to bed, because with any semblance of sleep you would have read that I had not one negative thing to say about Jason. My comments were directed at the horrid officiating. I have no idea why you have to dissect every comment I make and somehow turn it into something that any reader with a basic cognizance of English could see was not the case. Once again you bring up my profession and make wild generalizations that if anything point back to you not me.
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3/11/2017 10:31 AM
Kent either played lock down defense or the boys were not trying very hard on offense. There were few easy shots for the Bobcats.

Is Saul Ball one and done? Real sweet when the shots drop, but four guys racing back on defense leads to ZERO second chance points when the lid is tight. IMO Two things in a game that are most exciting to fans are offensive stick backs and blocked shots both make fans feel the domination.

Kent players translate to Mr. October. Guys like #55 hitting his WIDE open threes like he has done it all season--which he hasn't. OHIO, other than Jaron and KK were just shrinking in the lime light.

Unless he saw no opportunities because of the stifling defense, Laster, decided his successful slash and burns to the hoop were better handled by giving the ball back to Jaron. We needed Laster to be the Akron Ivy of the OHIO team.

Strange game, the crowd including me was lame--there never seemed to be much to sustain the cheering. Saul had to act as cheerleader and tell folks to get on their feet and get a defensive stop!

The single play game killer IMO was not getting a rebound, deflecting it OB and giving Kent the second chance which lead to a 3 ptr by #55 late--what was that bench jockey's season high before this game anyway?
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3/11/2017 10:33 AM
Those weren't bad calls on Jason - those were all fouls.

He got taken to school and used like a rented mule by Hall last night. It was the striking difference between a senior and a baby-faced freshman. For the first time all year Jason looked and played the part.

Jason needs to learn how to play more physical 1-on-1 post defense WITHOUT fouling when the other team is running their O through the post every possession. Some of it is he just needs to add some physical strength to push the guy off his spot and be able to hold ground without visibly reaching/pushing. Some of it is he needs to work on his defensive footwork and positioning so he isn't playing D with his hands and bumping with his chest/upper body.

He can fix the strength in the off-season (hopefully). The footwork piece I don't think he'll ever be great at, nor will he ever be a quick and explosive leaper for shot blocking/contesting - but he can try to overcome those deficiencies with hustle (something he already has in spades) technique and experience. Those things can only come in time.

He'll be fine, but last night he got exposed big league.
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Alan Swank
3/11/2017 10:39 AM
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Alan, I do hope from your post that you have not went to bed, because with any semblance of sleep you would have read that I had not one negative thing to say about Jason. My comments were directed at the horrid officiating. I have no idea why you have to dissect every comment I make and somehow turn it into something that any reader with a basic cognizance of English could see was not the case. Once again you bring up my profession and make wild generalizations that if anything point back to you not me.
It's have not gone to bed, not have went. As for Carter, nowhere in my post did I say one thing about you saying anything negative. From my view, all of the foul calls were legitimate calls (looks like at least one other poster agrees). You felt otherwise. So be it. Your post started with a criticism of me so I responded. If you are going to take shots at people who have said nothing about you in a thread, then you need to be prepared for a return barrage. At the end of the day, this team developed nicely as a team and if three more pieces can be added/developed for next year, we'll have a good chance of spending the second Saturday in March sleeping in Cleveland.
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3/11/2017 11:07 AM
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Those weren't bad calls on Jason - those were all fouls.

He got taken to school and used like a rented mule by Hall last night. It was the striking difference between a senior and a baby-faced freshman. For the first time all year Jason looked and played the part.

Jason needs to learn how to play more physical 1-on-1 post defense WITHOUT fouling when the other team is running their O through the post every possession. Some of it is he just needs to add some physical strength to push the guy off his spot and be able to hold ground without visibly reaching/pushing. Some of it is he needs to work on his defensive footwork and positioning so he isn't playing D with his hands and bumping with his chest/upper body.

He can fix the strength in the off-season (hopefully). The footwork piece I don't think he'll ever be great at, nor will he ever be a quick and explosive leaper for shot blocking/contesting - but he can try to overcome those deficiencies with hustle (something he already has in spades) technique and experience. Those things can only come in time.

He'll be fine, but last night he got exposed big league.
I think you seriously underestimate Carter's athleticism and footwork. He is being forced to play and defend the 5 which is not his true position and Hall is a tough guard for anyone. Jason has plenty of bounce and showed that this year with a number of big tomahawk dunks off the dribble. He isn't going to put up big block numbers because he doesn't leave his man seeking weak side blocks (DT this year and Wadley last did this regularly and gave up more putbacks than they got blocks).

Adding strength in the offseason and gaining confidence in his jump shot will be key as noted. I don't have any doubt that will happen. He will be an All-MAC level player the next 3 years.

I'm sure the players and coaches want to continue playing. They love basketball and people who love basketball want to play every game they can. Play on!
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