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Posted: 4/7/2017 6:45 PM
How pissed would Saul Phillips be if he left North Dakota/Summit to join Ohio/MAC only to find out he could have stayed right where he was and 4 years later been in the MVC?

Ouch.
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Posted: 4/7/2017 9:20 PM
GraffZ06 wrote:expand_more
How pissed would Saul Phillips be if he left North Dakota/Summit to join Ohio/MAC only to find out he could have stayed right where he was and 4 years later been in the MVC?

Ouch.

Except according to reports, NDSU aren't being courted to go to the MVC.
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Posted: 4/9/2017 3:49 PM
GraffZ06 wrote:expand_more
How pissed would Saul Phillips be if he left North Dakota/Summit to join Ohio/MAC only to find out he could have stayed right where he was and 4 years later been in the MVC?

Ouch.
I'm sure he regrets doubling his salary for four years when he maybe could have gotten an invite to join what is almost certainly a one-bid league. The MVC isn't the MVC that we all envied now that its two marquee programs are gone.
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Posted: 4/9/2017 4:15 PM
Depends who they replace them with and how they perform in the future. On the surface what you say is true - but they still have a higher national perception than the MAC with a significantly higher chance for at-large bids.

Not to mention, their budgets are bigger, they're still getting a lot more NCAA money per year, coaches are paid higher etc.

Any team that makes the jump from Summit (or similar) to MVC is going to see a bump in their revenue by joining that league which outpaces the MAC - same way a Creighton or Butler got a bump when jumping to Big East.

The question, as I started with, is what they do with it. Do they use it to pay their coaches, recruit better athletes and improve their program? They should. If that's the path - then yes Saul could have stayed where he was and might have ended up not only in the MVC but even getting a bigger pay day.

All hypothetical at this point. Just found it interesting.
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Posted: 4/9/2017 5:27 PM
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How pissed would Saul Phillips be if he left North Dakota/Summit to join Ohio/MAC only to find out he could have stayed right where he was and 4 years later been in the MVC?

Ouch.
I'm sure he regrets doubling his salary for four years when he maybe could have gotten an invite to join what is almost certainly a one-bid league. The MVC isn't the MVC that we all envied now that its two marquee programs are gone.
Leagues don't earn bids, teams do.
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Posted: 4/10/2017 8:10 AM
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Leagues don't earn bids, teams do.
Tell that to 2016 Monmouth (only the most recent of a number of egregious mid-major snubs).
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Posted: 4/10/2017 9:57 AM
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Depends who they replace them with and how they perform in the future. On the surface what you say is true - but they still have a higher national perception than the MAC with a significantly higher chance for at-large bids.
Not anymore they don't. They essentially just lost their Gonzaga and St. Mary's. They no longer have their built in metric boosters. Without Creighton and Wichita State they look very MACesque.

Basketball Budgets

MISSOURI VALLEY CONFERENCE
Creighton 7,265,599.00
Wichita State 6,920,933.00
Bradley 3,128,419.00
Northern Iowa 2,899,699.00
Evansville 2,899,667.00
Loyola-Chicago 2,745,553.00
Drake 2,472,212.00
Illinois State 2,452,961.00
Missouri State 2,279,917.00
Southern Illinois 2,241,413.00
Indiana State 1,832,975.00

MID AMERICAN CONFERENCE
Ohio 3,101,150.00
Akron 3,088,920.00
BGSU 2,389,470.00
Toledo 2,340,047.00
Miami 2,329,719.00
WMU 2,183,818.00
KSU 2,152,644.00
UB 2,054,470.00
EMU 2,031,759.00
BSU 1,905,730.00
NIU 1,880,733.00
CMU 1,646,267.00
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Posted: 4/10/2017 10:55 AM
I agree with others that I highly value close geographic proximity. Not only does it work for fans & teams logistically, but the rivalries and buzz is easier to create and maintain. This is why I have long yearned for a conference with the 6 Ohio MAC schools plus Wright State, Dayton, Xavier & Cleveland State. Now THAT would be fun.
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Posted: 4/10/2017 11:16 AM
Andrew Ruck wrote:expand_more
I agree with others that I highly value close geographic proximity. Not only does it work for fans & teams logistically, but the rivalries and buzz is easier to create and maintain. This is why I have long yearned for a conference with the 6 Ohio MAC schools plus Wright State, Dayton, Xavier & Cleveland State. Now THAT would be fun.
Big thumbs up from me. Nice true round-robin scheduling.
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