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BillyTheCat
4/3/2017 10:36 AM
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Allen, you do realize that we spend 3 million less than they do? They also generate a profit of oalmost $5million from basketball while we lose money to break even. It has a little more to do then just "want" to be. Especially when we support a Division I football team as well.
yes that is the fruit of their labor, when we were ranked in the top 25 a lot of Cuyahoga county residents were wearing Ohio football shirts, one guy even lied to me and said he played
Yeah, that was a great 1-2 week ride in mid season.

Here is where you fail (one of many places). You want a top 25 FBS program and a top 25 perennial baseketball power with our resources. That is simply NOT realistic as the resources are just NOT there. Call it whatever you want, about me not wanting to win and having no vision. I just have a sense of reality, with our amount of investment in both sports we are NOT going anywhere on to the national stage for extended periods with our resources. I'd love to know where you think these fans are that are going to fill the coffers with revenue. Football has a small stadium that is unable to increase gate revenues much and is falling apart (literally), while basketball has no practice gym and is not even close to being on par with other schools in the state in terms or money (Xavier, UC, Dayton) all far out pace OHIO
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allen
4/3/2017 10:39 AM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
Nice find

A headline that says Mid Major but nothing in there where Few says that ...oh BTW the byline " Jon Rothstein Oct 22, 2014 "

I have no idea what medi means so color me oblivious

I have not been one who has denied the ability of Mids to get to the FF. If you had been truly reading and comprehending rather than sitting back there trying to figure out ways to be condescending, argumentative and full of knowledge you would find in my posts allusions to VCU, Butler, In St and yes even Jax with the great Artis Gilmore.

Trying to beat me with experience aren't you?
i respect your knowledge and experience, but I disagree with you saying that Gonzaga is not a mid major. They are in the West Coast Conference. They have made it to the tourney for 18 straight years, they have dominated there conference, but they still have a taller mountain to climb than the NC's, Duke's, and Michigan State's of the world. I get so disappointed when people think so low of our our program. You guys have all contributed to Ohio in some way. Why not shoot for greatness?
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bornacatfan
4/3/2017 10:40 AM
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One year, they had Gordon heyward and one year they did not. They did have a great coach. Shevlin Mack was there both years and yes he did make it to the NBA. Why can't we accept that it is possible? Why do we have to talk ourselves out of being great?
No one is ....that is your downfall. You have a good point and many agree but you take threads in a totally different direction that is not even relevant. One step forward .....then down the rabbit hole. Incongruency detracts from your good viewpoints. Looking to spar instead of reading, formulating and responding hurts your credibility. I suspect if you were not hiding behind a psuedonym your answers would be MUCH different. Those of us who know each other know we will be talking over dinner or a beer at a function someday.
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OhioCatFan
4/3/2017 10:41 AM
For the record, I hate the term mid-major, and I never use it. To me you're D-1, or D-3, or D-3, or NAIA, or whatever. So, this whole discussion is meaningless in my world. But, I enjoy a good fight . . . so carry on.
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allen
4/3/2017 10:46 AM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Allen, you do realize that we spend 3 million less than they do? They also generate a profit of oalmost $5million from basketball while we lose money to break even. It has a little more to do then just "want" to be. Especially when we support a Division I football team as well.
yes that is the fruit of their labor, when we were ranked in the top 25 a lot of Cuyahoga county residents were wearing Ohio football shirts, one guy even lied to me and said he played
Yeah, that was a great 1-2 week ride in mid season.

Here is where you fail (one of many places). You want a top 25 FBS program and a top 25 perennial baseketball power with our resources. That is simply NOT realistic as the resources are just NOT there. Call it whatever you want, about me not wanting to win and having no vision. I just have a sense of reality, with our amount of investment in both sports we are NOT going anywhere on to the national stage for extended periods with our resources. I'd love to know where you think these fans are that are going to fill the coffers with revenue. Football has a small stadium that is unable to increase gate revenues much and is falling apart (literally), while basketball has no practice gym and is not even close to being on par with other schools in the state in terms or money (Xavier, UC, Dayton) all far out pace OHIO
Billy the Cat, resources come with winning. To the victor goes the spoils. I am a Bobcat fan, no matter what. We did not win the the MAC in either sport this year, I am still here. My goal is to see us become great. I believe it can happen, I want our atheletes to be able to say. We won the MAC, went played in the tournament, we beat these schools. I have a friend name jeremy Holmes, he went to Pitt and now coaches Cleveland heights High School, he says he remembered Ohio winning a preseason NIT. We have been great in the past. Let's build something special.
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bornacatfan
4/3/2017 10:55 AM
On the subject of Gonzaga. Going back as far as KenPom goes I only see one year that they have failed to win the conference regular season. Given the numbers up top as far as their spending ... I wonder how the conference splits the shares. I wonder how many shares they are sitting on given how far they have advanced year after year. Kind of tough for St Marys and them if the shares are evenly split amongst the entire membership

Butler gave up theirs from the Horizon but got the portion of the A10 then did the same thing when they left for the Big East. More pieces to the pie but a bigger pool.
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allen
4/3/2017 11:01 AM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
On the subject of Gonzaga. Going back as far as KenPom goes I only see one year that they have failed to win the conference regular season. Given the numbers up top as far as their spending ... I wonder how the conference splits the shares. I wonder how many shares they are sitting on given how far they have advanced year after year. Kind of tough for St Marys and them if the shares are evenly split amongst the entire membership

Butler gave up theirs from the Horizon but got the portion of the A10 then did the same thing when they left for the Big East. More pieces to the pie but a bigger pool.
I think Gonzaga gets a lot of donations and they sell a lot of apparel. I bet their aparrel contract is 3 to five times what most mid majors receive.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/31/news/companies/gonzaga-nc... /
Here is another great article.
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2013/nov/24/gonzaga-univ... /
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GoCats105
4/3/2017 12:50 PM
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Even if we medi Gonzaga out of being a mid major, Butler did it twice in a row as a mid major.
Yeah I'm sure the four guys they had on the team (3 players, 1 coach) that went onto the NBA had nothing to do with that. At that point it doesn't matter if you're a mid-major.
One year, they had Gordon heyward and one year they did not. They did have a great coach. Shevlin Mack was there both years and yes he did make it to the NBA. Why can't we accept that it is possible? Why do we have to talk ourselves out of being great?
Nobody is talking ourselves out being great. I'm just simply pointing out the fact that having three NBA caliber players (Heyward, Howard, Mack) and an NBA coach (Stevens) does not happen every day at a mid-major.
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GoCats105
4/3/2017 12:54 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Allen, you do realize that we spend 3 million less than they do? They also generate a profit of oalmost $5million from basketball while we lose money to break even. It has a little more to do then just "want" to be. Especially when we support a Division I football team as well.
yes that is the fruit of their labor, when we were ranked in the top 25 a lot of Cuyahoga county residents were wearing Ohio football shirts, one guy even lied to me and said he played
Yeah, that was a great 1-2 week ride in mid season.

Here is where you fail (one of many places). You want a top 25 FBS program and a top 25 perennial baseketball power with our resources. That is simply NOT realistic as the resources are just NOT there. Call it whatever you want, about me not wanting to win and having no vision. I just have a sense of reality, with our amount of investment in both sports we are NOT going anywhere on to the national stage for extended periods with our resources. I'd love to know where you think these fans are that are going to fill the coffers with revenue. Football has a small stadium that is unable to increase gate revenues much and is falling apart (literally), while basketball has no practice gym and is not even close to being on par with other schools in the state in terms or money (Xavier, UC, Dayton) all far out pace OHIO
Nothing else really needs to be said. BTC nails it.
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OUVan
4/3/2017 1:40 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
Yes Few does not like being called a mid major, but they are.
And what exactly is your definition of a mid-major?
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rpbobcat
4/3/2017 1:57 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
basketball has no practice gym and is not even close to being on par with other schools in the state in terms or money (Xavier, UC, Dayton) all far out pace OHIO
I was out at O.U. last November.
When I was there I went to see Aquatic Center for the first time.

I was a bit surprised when I saw the article in The Post about replacing both Bird Arena and the Aquatic Center.
The Aquatic Center looked pretty good to me.
That's as an Alum and an engineer (we never turn it off).

From reading the article,a new aquatic center seems more a matter of convenience (centralized location) then anything else.

The one justification of using heat from an ice arena to heat the pool is a non-sequitur.
Just run an insulated pipe from the new arena to the pool.
Geez,NYC runs steam all over the city.

No question a new ice arena makes sense.
Just leave the pool alone and use the new pool area for a B.B. practice facility.

If O.U. does have its heart set on a new Aquatic Center,I guess you could use the area where the current one is for a B.B. practice facility,and other things.
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bigtillyoopsupsideurhead
4/3/2017 2:03 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Even if we medi Gonzaga out of being a mid major, Butler did it twice in a row as a mid major.
Yeah I'm sure the four guys they had on the team (3 players, 1 coach) that went onto the NBA had nothing to do with that. At that point it doesn't matter if you're a mid-major.
One year, they had Gordon heyward and one year they did not. They did have a great coach. Shevlin Mack was there both years and yes he did make it to the NBA. Why can't we accept that it is possible? Why do we have to talk ourselves out of being great?
Nobody is talking ourselves out being great. I'm just simply pointing out the fact that having three NBA caliber players (Heyward, Howard, Mack) and an NBA coach (Stevens) does not happen every day at a mid-major.
Matt Howard was not an NBA caliber player. He may have played in the summer league, but never the actual NBA. Great college player though.
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allen
4/3/2017 2:46 PM
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:expand_more
Even if we medi Gonzaga out of being a mid major, Butler did it twice in a row as a mid major.
Yeah I'm sure the four guys they had on the team (3 players, 1 coach) that went onto the NBA had nothing to do with that. At that point it doesn't matter if you're a mid-major.
One year, they had Gordon heyward and one year they did not. They did have a great coach. Shevlin Mack was there both years and yes he did make it to the NBA. Why can't we accept that it is possible? Why do we have to talk ourselves out of being great?
Nobody is talking ourselves out being great. I'm just simply pointing out the fact that having three NBA caliber players (Heyward, Howard, Mack) and an NBA coach (Stevens) does not happen every day at a mid-major.
Matt Howard was not an NBA caliber player. He may have played in the summer league, but never the actual NBA. Great college player though.
They went to one final with Heyward and one without. Butler had a great system and great coaching. Their athletes didn't really scare anybody.
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bornacatfan
4/3/2017 2:58 PM
Flogging the name Hayward time after time is impressive. Him and Spencer would both appreciate it if you would spell with an A in the Hay. I thought it was misprint but you keep repeating it.

Meanwhile one of the guys I have been listening to for years does not mind it a bit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMOcH6teUrU
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Alan Swank
4/3/2017 4:23 PM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
For the record, I hate the term mid-major, and I never use it. To me you're D-1, or D-3, or D-3, or NAIA, or whatever. So, this whole discussion is meaningless in my world. But, I enjoy a good fight . . . so carry on.
Me too as well as all of the P5, G5 stuff. We are Division 1.
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allen
4/3/2017 5:29 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
Flogging the name Hayward time after time is impressive. Him and Spencer would both appreciate it if you would spell with an A in the Hay. I thought it was misprint but you keep repeating it.

Meanwhile one of the guys I have been listening to for years does not mind it a bit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMOcH6teUrU
The medi objection does not hold up here, Let's embrace the truth. Hayward was there for one of the runs. Gonzaga plays in the West Coast Conference, which is usually a one or two bid conference. The MAC usually has one or two good schools, the MAC needs to break through. Butler played in Horizon Conference, which was a one bid league. Gonzaga has a better non conference schedule and they use their success an noncoference schedule to get good recruits. They are the trailblazers and we need to follow them. They did not accept mediocrity or say it could not happen to us. They said why not us? Since there applications and enrollments have increased, their alumni donations and apparel sales have increased an their conference payout has increased.
https://www.youtube.com/user/phuckmediocrity
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perimeterpost
4/3/2017 7:21 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
They are a mid major like Butler used to be that runs a system and strives for exellence. We can be the same thing, we just have to believe.


I had no idea that all we had to do was believe and we'd be in the Final 4. BELIEVE. that's it. Boy do we look silly for not believing enough.
Perimeter post, I will never forget you. If there was a king or queen of mediocrity, you would be it. You said something that almost made me throw up in my mouth. A few years back, we were on the eve of playing Tulsa and you said that we would lose by 20 and it would be good for us, you quoted a former coach. All I could think was what in the George McFly! We ended up losing by a point or two but we were up the whole game. I couldn't believe that there were people that were that defeated. Mediocrity had its spokesman and that spokesman was you. I mentioned believing, which is a big part. So as a man thinketh, so is he. The other parts are building a great system and identifying and successfully recruiting talent. You omitted those for some reason, as if others can't read my post. God bless you my friend, rescue yourself from mediocrity.
Your memory is failing you, party because you only see what you want to see.

Here's what I actually said-
"I hope we get throttled, it will be a better learning experience."

I then further clarified my comment with this-
"I said nothing of the final score, I want them to dominate us, overwhelm us, knock us down, to see how we respond to it both during the game and afterwards. The final score will depend in part on our reaction."

go back and read it again, slowly, and sound out the words. You seem to be stuck in this Trumpian mindset that any comments made by supporters that are anything less than full throated cheers of praise and adulation should be shut down. Trust me, I'm a looooong way from being another Monroe.

this all started because I dared to question the validity of your claim that the thing keeping us from success is "believing". i stand by my comments.

edit: http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...
Last Edited: 4/3/2017 7:23:43 PM by perimeterpost
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allen
4/3/2017 8:19 PM
perimeterpost wrote:expand_more
They are a mid major like Butler used to be that runs a system and strives for exellence. We can be the same thing, we just have to believe.


I had no idea that all we had to do was believe and we'd be in the Final 4. BELIEVE. that's it. Boy do we look silly for not believing enough.
Perimeter post, I will never forget you. If there was a king or queen of mediocrity, you would be it. You said something that almost made me throw up in my mouth. A few years back, we were on the eve of playing Tulsa and you said that we would lose by 20 and it would be good for us, you quoted a former coach. All I could think was what in the George McFly! We ended up losing by a point or two but we were up the whole game. I couldn't believe that there were people that were that defeated. Mediocrity had its spokesman and that spokesman was you. I mentioned believing, which is a big part. So as a man thinketh, so is he. The other parts are building a great system and identifying and successfully recruiting talent. You omitted those for some reason, as if others can't read my post. God bless you my friend, rescue yourself from mediocrity.
Your memory is failing you, party because you only see what you want to see.

Here's what I actually said-
"I hope we get throttled, it will be a better learning experience."

I then further clarified my comment with this-
"I said nothing of the final score, I want them to dominate us, overwhelm us, knock us down, to see how we respond to it both during the game and afterwards. The final score will depend in part on our reaction."

go back and read it again, slowly, and sound out the words. You seem to be stuck in this Trumpian mindset that any comments made by supporters that are anything less than full throated cheers of praise and adulation should be shut down. Trust me, I'm a looooong way from being another Monroe.

this all started because I dared to question the validity of your claim that the thing keeping us from success is "believing". i stand by my comments.

edit: http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...
I will never forget your statement that it is good to be blown out by 20, my heart still hurts. The thought of the circumstances that led to your thought processes still bothers me. If you still wear the pajamas with the feet in them it is ok, we are rooting for growth. Let's not compare ourselves to Trumptards or mental medi's that is a whole new phenomenon.
Last Edited: 4/3/2017 9:01:33 PM by allen
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OU_Country
4/4/2017 12:19 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
Flogging the name Hayward time after time is impressive. Him and Spencer would both appreciate it if you would spell with an A in the Hay. I thought it was misprint but you keep repeating it.

Meanwhile one of the guys I have been listening to for years does not mind it a bit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMOcH6teUrU
The medi objection does not hold up here, Let's embrace the truth. Hayward was there for one of the runs. Gonzaga plays in the West Coast Conference, which is usually a one or two bid conference. The MAC usually has one or two good schools, the MAC needs to break through. Butler played in Horizon Conference, which was a one bid league. Gonzaga has a better non conference schedule and they use their success an noncoference schedule to get good recruits. They are the trailblazers and we need to follow them. They did not accept mediocrity or say it could not happen to us. They said why not us? Since there applications and enrollments have increased, their alumni donations and apparel sales have increased an their conference payout has increased.
https://www.youtube.com/user/phuckmediocrity
They played in "The Horizon League". There's no such thing as the Horizon Conference. If you're going to litter this board with your nonsense, can you at least try to spell names correctly, and name the conferences you're referring to by the right names?

You're so mediocre at spelling and grammar. It's the truth.
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4/4/2017 12:39 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Flogging the name Hayward time after time is impressive. Him and Spencer would both appreciate it if you would spell with an A in the Hay. I thought it was misprint but you keep repeating it.

Meanwhile one of the guys I have been listening to for years does not mind it a bit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMOcH6teUrU
The medi objection does not hold up here, Let's embrace the truth. Hayward was there for one of the runs. Gonzaga plays in the West Coast Conference, which is usually a one or two bid conference. The MAC usually has one or two good schools, the MAC needs to break through. Butler played in Horizon Conference, which was a one bid league. Gonzaga has a better non conference schedule and they use their success an noncoference schedule to get good recruits. They are the trailblazers and we need to follow them. They did not accept mediocrity or say it could not happen to us. They said why not us? Since there applications and enrollments have increased, their alumni donations and apparel sales have increased an their conference payout has increased.
https://www.youtube.com/user/phuckmediocrity
They played in "The Horizon League". There's no such thing as the Horizon Conference. If you're going to litter this board with your nonsense, can you at least try to spell names correctly, and name the conferences you're referring to by the right names?

You're so mediocre at spelling and grammar. It's the truth.
You need to do more research. The horizon league or conference has changed names multiple times. You are such an easy victory. It's like man vs. Clown. Pick another opponent or play with your inflatable, but leave me alone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon_League_Men%27s_Bask...
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OU_Country
4/4/2017 1:45 PM
allen wrote:expand_more
Flogging the name Hayward time after time is impressive. Him and Spencer would both appreciate it if you would spell with an A in the Hay. I thought it was misprint but you keep repeating it.

Meanwhile one of the guys I have been listening to for years does not mind it a bit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMOcH6teUrU
The medi objection does not hold up here, Let's embrace the truth. Hayward was there for one of the runs. Gonzaga plays in the West Coast Conference, which is usually a one or two bid conference. The MAC usually has one or two good schools, the MAC needs to break through. Butler played in Horizon Conference, which was a one bid league. Gonzaga has a better non conference schedule and they use their success an noncoference schedule to get good recruits. They are the trailblazers and we need to follow them. They did not accept mediocrity or say it could not happen to us. They said why not us? Since there applications and enrollments have increased, their alumni donations and apparel sales have increased an their conference payout has increased.
https://www.youtube.com/user/phuckmediocrity
They played in "The Horizon League". There's no such thing as the Horizon Conference. If you're going to litter this board with your nonsense, can you at least try to spell names correctly, and name the conferences you're referring to by the right names?

You're so mediocre at spelling and grammar. It's the truth.
You need to do more research. The horizon league or conference has changed names multiple times. You are such an easy victory. It's like man vs. Clown. Pick another opponent or play with your inflatable, but leave me alone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon_League_Men%27s_Bask...
[/QUOTE]You're consistently ridiculous, bringing up nonsense like "play with your inflatable". I don't know who you are in real life, but leave this nonsensical childish crap out of the threads so those who actually want to can discuss basketball and share ideas.

If you can manage to do that, and leave this constant nonsense about all of us not "believing", and being "mediocre" out of this forum, I'm more than willing to follow your request to leave you alone. If you can't, then I'll continue you to call you on the nonsense that you post, and idiotic things you say to people.

In case you haven't noticed recently, you are pretty much the only one that many of us call out for nonsense in the basketball forum on this site. You don't suppose there's a reason for that do you? Follow this advice from bornacat. It's the best post with advice in this entire thread for all of us to follow:


[QUOTE=bornacatfan]

...You have a good point and many agree but you take threads in a totally different direction that is not even relevant. One step forward .....then down the rabbit hole. Incongruency detracts from your good viewpoints. Looking to spar instead of reading, formulating and responding hurts your credibility. I suspect if you were not hiding behind a psuedonym your answers would be MUCH different. Those of us who know each other know we will be talking over dinner or a beer at a function someday.
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4/4/2017 3:15 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Flogging the name Hayward time after time is impressive. Him and Spencer would both appreciate it if you would spell with an A in the Hay. I thought it was misprint but you keep repeating it.

Meanwhile one of the guys I have been listening to for years does not mind it a bit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMOcH6teUrU
The medi objection does not hold up here, Let's embrace the truth. Hayward was there for one of the runs. Gonzaga plays in the West Coast Conference, which is usually a one or two bid conference. The MAC usually has one or two good schools, the MAC needs to break through. Butler played in Horizon Conference, which was a one bid league. Gonzaga has a better non conference schedule and they use their success an noncoference schedule to get good recruits. They are the trailblazers and we need to follow them. They did not accept mediocrity or say it could not happen to us. They said why not us? Since there applications and enrollments have increased, their alumni donations and apparel sales have increased an their conference payout has increased.
https://www.youtube.com/user/phuckmediocrity
They played in "The Horizon League". There's no such thing as the Horizon Conference. If you're going to litter this board with your nonsense, can you at least try to spell names correctly, and name the conferences you're referring to by the right names?

You're so mediocre at spelling and grammar. It's the truth.
You need to do more research. The horizon league or conference has changed names multiple times. You are such an easy victory. It's like man vs. Clown. Pick another opponent or play with your inflatable, but leave me alone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon_League_Men%27s_Bask...
You're consistently ridiculous, bringing up nonsense like "play with your inflatable". I don't know who you are in real life, but leave this nonsensical childish crap out of the threads so those who actually want to can discuss basketball and share ideas.

If you can manage to do that, and leave this constant nonsense about all of us not "believing", and being "mediocre" out of this forum, I'm more than willing to follow your request to leave you alone. If you can't, then I'll continue you to call you on the nonsense that you post, and idiotic things you say to people.

In case you haven't noticed recently, you are pretty much the only one that many of us call out for nonsense in the basketball forum on this site. You don't suppose there's a reason for that do you? Follow this advice from bornacat. It's the best post with advice in this entire thread for all of us to follow:


...You have a good point and many agree but you take threads in a totally different direction that is not even relevant. One step forward .....then down the rabbit hole. Incongruency detracts from your good viewpoints. Looking to spar instead of reading, formulating and responding hurts your credibility. I suspect if you were not hiding behind a psuedonym your answers would be MUCH different. Those of us who know each other know we will be talking over dinner or a beer at a function someday.

Hey man, I wish you peace and goodwill. I am happy to know that you are relatable to others. You don't have to take my post so personal. We are all Ohio fans. You have continually followed my posts with criticism, I am not made to be your victim. If you do follow my posts and decide to rebut, try to know what you are talking about. As far as the inflatable comment, I was being egocentric, see I can't sit around people that tell bad jokes, don't know facts and think so small. So, I equated my self with others and assumed that you were unrelatable. Hence, you may talk to stuffed animals or inflatables, but clearly I was wrong, so I apologize. My whole motivation is to think big. I don't want to or need to demean you or others to think big. If you criticize me than I may criticize you back. I tried to end are back and forth by saying goodnight last night, I agreed with one of your posts, but you just continue to throw shade and you got some back this time. This will be my last time answering your post because I see that it is not productive. I can't help you think bigger and you can't help me think smaller.
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