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greencat
7/26/2017 6:03 PM
https://www.midmajormadness.com/2017/7/25/16011736/colleg...

Not surprisingly in the mega-majors, people hate Duke and UK more than the next however many dozens of school combined.

First the good news. People hate mid-majors too. Not the Bobcats, though.

Now that Stansbury is coaching WKU, they are climbing the list of hated mids.
Murray made the list. I'm not sure what they did to anybody. Akron has haters but surprisingly WVU has very few for a mega-major considering some people don't like Huggy.

Some of the ones who got a few votes, like Holy Cross? Really?
Ole Miss with one paltry vote? Marshall Henderson played there. And the coach has been at times controversial. How can they not be hated more than Holy Cross? MTSU messed up lots of brackets, so I have no issue with people hating on them.

For those who don't have time to read the article, VCU is the most hated mid.
Last Edited: 7/26/2017 6:04:24 PM by greencat
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OhioCatFan
7/28/2017 12:30 AM
Glad to see that Ohio A&M made a respectable showing, and that Oxford Tech got at least one vote.
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OUcats82
7/28/2017 8:58 AM
Had never seen that pumpkin coach image that is used for this SB site before-very nice! They usually have some pretty clever names/images for their blog sites.

In a somewhat similar vein I found this article outlining the top mid-major in all 50 states. UD is Ohio's so I think now that they have a new coach it's time to steal that away!

https://www.midmajormadness.com/2017/7/5/15891124/top-mid...
Last Edited: 7/28/2017 9:05:54 AM by OUcats82
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OUVan
7/28/2017 11:03 AM
greencat wrote:expand_more
First the good news. People hate mid-majors too. Not the Bobcats, though.
This is a poll of fans from a midmajor site so that makes sense.
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bornacatfan
7/28/2017 5:19 PM
THey may not hate the Bobcats but in that relatively small sample there is a bit of hate for many MAC teams
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greencat
8/1/2017 1:50 PM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
This is a poll of fans from a midmajor site so that makes sense.
Maybe that explains why "Ole Miss" and other large schools didn't get more votes when there was plenty reason to not like them.

I still don't like it that Maryland left the ACC. When you think about the ACC one of the first schools you think is Maryland. And they bolted.
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OU_Country
8/2/2017 11:18 AM
Interesting to see some of these rankings.

-Villanova? How does one hate Jay Wright?
-The hate votes for Dayton probably all came from OSU fans for losing to them in the tournament a few years ago.
-Honestly, why is Duke hated more than Kentucky?
-What about Butler is hate worthy I wonder?
-I would have expected UConn, Ohio State, and UCLA to be higher up the list.
-With the amount of disdain shown towards Huggins, I would have expected WVU up there higher as well.
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OUcats82
8/2/2017 1:03 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Interesting to see some of these rankings.

-Villanova? How does one hate Jay Wright?
-The hate votes for Dayton probably all came from OSU fans for losing to them in the tournament a few years ago.
-Honestly, why is Duke hated more than Kentucky?
-What about Butler is hate worthy I wonder?
-I would have expected UConn, Ohio State, and UCLA to be higher up the list.
-With the amount of disdain shown towards Huggins, I would have expected WVU up there higher as well.
I can see where Jay Wright may give off a bad vibe to someone who doesn't follow Villanova. From a distance he gives off kind of a "I'm better than you" vibe and until I read maybe a Sports Illustrated article about him after they won the title I figured he was just another East Coast jerk.

I think what separates Duke from Kentucky on the hatred scale is the fact that they are a private school filled with a lot of blue blood students that are arguably smug about all things, not just basketball. 25 years later the whole Christian Laettner culture is still alive and well in most eyes I think.

Right or wrong a popular sentiment I hear about UK fans is "well let those hillbillies cheer for their team. They don't have anything else to be happy about in life."

The Butler thing is a head scratcher for me too. The only thing that I could see villainizing them pre Big East was just that they won a lot and were the poster child for the Horizon and arguably mid major basketball (with say Gonzaga sharing that space?)

-The Huggins hate I think gets diluted some because of him being at WVU. While a historically solid program, the Mountaineers aren't one of those super elite programs that always win. They usually have been more of a spoiler in the old Big East tourneys, NCAAs etc. Plus I think he has shed some of the baggage he carried around while in Cincinnati (but I honestly don't follow WV basketball closely). Probably helps that he is in a Power 5 conference now and can maybe draw from a richer talent base and not take as many risks in his recruiting as he did when trying to sell the Metro/Conference USA to a high school player.
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OUVan
8/2/2017 1:52 PM
greencat wrote:expand_more
I still don't like it that Maryland left the ACC. When you think about the ACC one of the first schools you think is Maryland. And they bolted.
Maryland was always the red-headed stepchild in the ACC. I grew up a Maryland fan and I wasn't happy when I first heard they were leaving but after a while I realized that the ACC isn't really the ACC anymore. In their last year in the ACC Maryland played 12 of their 19 league games against teams that were not in the ACC when I was a kid. They got neither Duke nor UNC at home.
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greencat
8/2/2017 4:02 PM
That's the ACC's fault for diluting their product but all conferences are doing it. Mizzou and Texas A&M in the SEC? Didn't think I'd see that happen in my lifetime. As far as the ACC, as long as I can remember if somebody mentioned it, the first schools that came to mind were Maryland, Virginia, UNC, Clemson followed by Duke, NC State, Wake. GaTech used to be in the SEC, so to me they are not hardly a traditional ACC and Florida State even less. FSU used to be in a conference with Cincinnati and Memphis when I was in high school.
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OUcats82
8/4/2017 9:17 AM
greencat wrote:expand_more
That's the ACC's fault for diluting their product but all conferences are doing it. Mizzou and Texas A&M in the SEC? Didn't think I'd see that happen in my lifetime. As far as the ACC, as long as I can remember if somebody mentioned it, the first schools that came to mind were Maryland, Virginia, UNC, Clemson followed by Duke, NC State, Wake. GaTech used to be in the SEC, so to me they are not hardly a traditional ACC and Florida State even less. FSU used to be in a conference with Cincinnati and Memphis when I was in high school.
An interesting footnote about Georgia Tech being in the SEC...if you look at the lyrics of Alabama's fight song Yea Alabama there is a segment that says "Go teach the Bulldogs to behave, Send the Yellow Jackets to a watery grave!" How often do 'Bama and GT match up anymore?

Florida State, South Carolina and Virginia Tech were all pretty transient from say the 70s until they latched on with their current conferences. It's easy to forget that Arkansas used to be in the defunct Southwest Conference too, being the only non-Texas based school if memory serves right.

I remember Virginia Tech being in the Big East in football for quite a long time but saw them play against Xavier in basketball while in the Atlantic 10 for I believe all other sports. Then I believe they joined the Big East for all sports in the late 90s/early 2000s until they departed for the ACC

The entire implosion of the Big East still kinds of rubs me the wrong way.
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OU_Country
8/4/2017 9:33 AM
OUcats82 wrote:expand_more
The entire implosion of the Big East still kinds of rubs me the wrong way.
Me as well. It was a very competitive conference, both for football and basketball, and it did well in non-conference games and bowl games. It was all about the Big East schools being (stupidly) lured by other conferences TV deals. And in a handful of years, some of those TV deals could be vastly different.
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OUVan
8/6/2017 8:33 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
The entire implosion of the Big East still kinds of rubs me the wrong way.
Me as well. It was a very competitive conference, both for football and basketball, and it did well in non-conference games and bowl games. It was all about the Big East schools being (stupidly) lured by other conferences TV deals. And in a handful of years, some of those TV deals could be vastly different.
I think it also had to do with two different priorities within the conference, football and basketball. Most of the conference shuffling was due to football. The Big East was sort of left holding the bag. But frankly, I'm jealous of the new Big East. I follow college football but basketball is my favorite by far and the new Big East has a perfect college basketball set up IMO.
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OU_Country
8/7/2017 12:28 PM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
The entire implosion of the Big East still kinds of rubs me the wrong way.
Me as well. It was a very competitive conference, both for football and basketball, and it did well in non-conference games and bowl games. It was all about the Big East schools being (stupidly) lured by other conferences TV deals. And in a handful of years, some of those TV deals could be vastly different.
I think it also had to do with two different priorities within the conference, football and basketball. Most of the conference shuffling was due to football. The Big East was sort of left holding the bag. But frankly, I'm jealous of the new Big East. I follow college football but basketball is my favorite by far and the new Big East has a perfect college basketball set up IMO.
Agreed on the problem there being the two priorities. I'm with your approach. I'll watch football, but once November rolls around, college hoops is the top of my list for appointment sports viewing. The Big East is outstanding now, but it's not as great as it was with Cuse, Pitt, UC, WVU, etc all in the conference together. As far as leagues go, I spend most of my basketball watching time (outside of the two 'Cats I cheer for) watching the Big 12 and the B1G. I'm a big fan of Big 12 hoops because of the conference schedule format.
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