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OU_Country
6/23/2017 4:03 PM
giacomo wrote:expand_more
If athletics are a business, then the OSU "student" athletes are underpaid.
Are they though? Graduating with a bachelor's degree, having the potential at a big professional sports career, and all the local opportunities they get by being a basketball/football/etc. player at THEEE is "underpaid"? And that statement leaves out the fact that they graduate, if they're smart, with ZERO student loan debt, which is a BIG deal for those who are facing $100,000 of debt as "regular" students that recently graduated.

These student athletes are effectively paid tuition, room, and board to the tune of around twenty-five grand a year.

The only argument I'm on board with that I don't like with the student athlete arrangement is their inability to own the rights to their image. Otherwise, while I admire the amount of work they put in, because it's a ton, they aren't given zero compensation.
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OhioCatFan
6/23/2017 10:47 PM
In terms of the concept that OSU's athletic department is a totally independent operation I'm wondering if the following Ohio Supreme Court case might be relevant: http://tinyurl.com/h9sx59p This case involves whether or not FOI applies to university foundations, so it's a different fact set, but it seems to me that the logic of this case might indicate that it's harder than you might think to legally create a part of a state university as an "independent" operation. UT was insistent that their foundation was independent and, therefore, not subject to Ohio FOI laws. The Ohio SC disagreed. I'm curious to hear from some of our resident BA lawyers about what they think about the relevance or lack thereof of this decision to the independent status of OSU's athletic department.
Last Edited: 6/23/2017 10:49:59 PM by OhioCatFan
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giacomo
6/24/2017 6:18 PM
Look at my earlier post about top salaries at OSU. The president makes 1M and a few medical school folks are close to 2M. Meyer is at 4.6, Matta 3.6, Smith and the women's coach are over 1M. Harbaugh at Michigan makes 8M. You get the point. At those ever increasing salaries the players are underpaid dramatically. If the salaries were more in line with top administrators at the university, the scholarship is adequate.
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giacomo
6/24/2017 6:40 PM
Look at my earlier post about top salaries at OSU. The president makes 1M and a few medical school folks are close to 2M. Meyer is at 4.6, Matta 3.6, Smith and the women's coach are over 1M. Harbaugh at Michigan makes 8M. You get the point. At those ever increasing salaries the players are underpaid dramatically. If the salaries were more in line with top administrators at the university, the scholarship is adequate.
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BillyTheCat
6/25/2017 11:01 AM
giacomo wrote:expand_more
Look at my earlier post about top salaries at OSU. The president makes 1M and a few medical school folks are close to 2M. Meyer is at 4.6, Matta 3.6, Smith and the women's coach are over 1M. Harbaugh at Michigan makes 8M. You get the point. At those ever increasing salaries the players are underpaid dramatically. If the salaries were more in line with top administrators at the university, the scholarship is adequate.
It's the same point in every state, where a sports coach is the highest paid public employee in 49 of the 50 states, and often times they make up almost all of the top 10 spots. So you continually speak like this only exist in Ohio.
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Alan Swank
6/25/2017 1:17 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Look at my earlier post about top salaries at OSU. The president makes 1M and a few medical school folks are close to 2M. Meyer is at 4.6, Matta 3.6, Smith and the women's coach are over 1M. Harbaugh at Michigan makes 8M. You get the point. At those ever increasing salaries the players are underpaid dramatically. If the salaries were more in line with top administrators at the university, the scholarship is adequate.
It's the same point in every state, where a sports coach is the highest paid public employee in 49 of the 50 states, and often times they make up almost all of the top 10 spots. So you continually speak like this only exist in Ohio.
Actually it's only 39 out of 50 according to this one year old article. Regardless, it's the vast majority.

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2016/09/20/the-highes... /
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OU_Country
6/25/2017 1:48 PM
giacomo wrote:expand_more
Look at my earlier post about top salaries at OSU. The president makes 1M and a few medical school folks are close to 2M. Meyer is at 4.6, Matta 3.6, Smith and the women's coach are over 1M. Harbaugh at Michigan makes 8M. You get the point. At those ever increasing salaries the players are underpaid dramatically. If the salaries were more in line with top administrators at the university, the scholarship is adequate.
I can see that point of view. No college coach should, in theory, be paid that much. On the other hand, the amount of money that success makes some universities helps justify those salaries.
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Ohio69
6/26/2017 8:47 AM
OhioCatFan wrote:expand_more
In terms of the concept that OSU's athletic department is a totally independent operation I'm wondering if the following Ohio Supreme Court case might be relevant: http://tinyurl.com/h9sx59p This case involves whether or not FOI applies to university foundations, so it's a different fact set, but it seems to me that the logic of this case might indicate that it's harder than you might think to legally create a part of a state university as an "independent" operation. UT was insistent that their foundation was independent and, therefore, not subject to Ohio FOI laws. The Ohio SC disagreed. I'm curious to hear from some of our resident BA lawyers about what they think about the relevance or lack thereof of this decision to the independent status of OSU's athletic department.
I don't think it is independent at all. But, it operates at a profit, not a loss, so complaints about excess can be easily brushed away.
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BillyTheCat
6/26/2017 10:50 AM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Look at my earlier post about top salaries at OSU. The president makes 1M and a few medical school folks are close to 2M. Meyer is at 4.6, Matta 3.6, Smith and the women's coach are over 1M. Harbaugh at Michigan makes 8M. You get the point. At those ever increasing salaries the players are underpaid dramatically. If the salaries were more in line with top administrators at the university, the scholarship is adequate.
It's the same point in every state, where a sports coach is the highest paid public employee in 49 of the 50 states, and often times they make up almost all of the top 10 spots. So you continually speak like this only exist in Ohio.
Actually it's only 39 out of 50 according to this one year old article. Regardless, it's the vast majority.

http://247wallst.com/special-report/2016/09/20/the-highes... /
Yep, sorry, fat fingers hit the 4 instead of the three. This link has a cool map ;-)

http://deadspin.com/infographic-is-your-states-highest-pa...
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Alan Swank
6/26/2017 1:04 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
Look at my earlier post about top salaries at OSU. The president makes 1M and a few medical school folks are close to 2M. Meyer is at 4.6, Matta 3.6, Smith and the women's coach are over 1M. Harbaugh at Michigan makes 8M. You get the point. At those ever increasing salaries the players are underpaid dramatically. If the salaries were more in line with top administrators at the university, the scholarship is adequate.
I can see that point of view. No college coach should, in theory, be paid that much. On the other hand, the amount of money that success makes some universities helps justify those salaries.
Yes and no. According to this two year old article only 24 schools actually made money. The bigger issue is what do those schools do with that profit. If it is actually funneled into the university's general fund, that's one thing. If not, then that is a tougher justification to make.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
6/26/2017 1:25 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Look at my earlier post about top salaries at OSU. The president makes 1M and a few medical school folks are close to 2M. Meyer is at 4.6, Matta 3.6, Smith and the women's coach are over 1M. Harbaugh at Michigan makes 8M. You get the point. At those ever increasing salaries the players are underpaid dramatically. If the salaries were more in line with top administrators at the university, the scholarship is adequate.
I can see that point of view. No college coach should, in theory, be paid that much. On the other hand, the amount of money that success makes some universities helps justify those salaries.
Yes and no. According to this two year old article only 24 schools actually made money. The bigger issue is what do those schools do with that profit. If it is actually funneled into the university's general fund, that's one thing. If not, then that is a tougher justification to make.
As an overall athletic department, many schools lose money, but their football and/or basketball programs make lots of money... enough to subsidize the non-revenue sports.
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OUVan
6/26/2017 1:28 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
Yes and no. According to this two year old article only 24 schools actually made money. The bigger issue is what do those schools do with that profit. If it is actually funneled into the university's general fund, that's one thing. If not, then that is a tougher justification to make.
While making money on basketball is a cut and dried figure it's much tougher to measure how much having good sports teams means for your school. We have discussions on here about how much college applications have gone up after our Sweet 16 run. It's essentially advertising.
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OUPride
6/26/2017 4:28 PM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
Yes and no. According to this two year old article only 24 schools actually made money. The bigger issue is what do those schools do with that profit. If it is actually funneled into the university's general fund, that's one thing. If not, then that is a tougher justification to make.
While making money on basketball is a cut and dried figure it's much tougher to measure how much having good sports teams means for your school. We have discussions on here about how much college applications have gone up after our Sweet 16 run. It's essentially advertising.
We've also discussed how the Flutie Effect results in, at best, a limited time bump in the quantity of applications but no real effect on the quality of the applicant pool and freshman classes. So, in my mind, the question becomes--if you're using applications to justify athletic subsidies--what is a more productive use of that 18 million dollars every year? Pump it into the athletic department for the residual "advertising effect" or use it directly for student recruitment and merit scholarships.
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