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OU_Country
9/6/2017 10:00 AM
Per the link:

"In a potentially paradigm-shifting proposal, the NCAA members may vote to allow all Division-I transfers to be eligible to play immediately. The only potential restrictions are that student-athletes would be asked to meet a minimum GPA, in order to transfer immediately, and that any additional transfer would require the student-athletes to sit out a full year. The proposal, which is being solicited among members for feedback, is gaining increased traction in recent weeks, a source confirms."

http://247sports.com/Article/Sources-Major-Potential-Shif...



A solid idea:

https://twitter.com/HoopvilleAdam/status/905269766377660416
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rpbobcat
9/6/2017 10:21 AM
We were talking about this this morning.
If this does get approved it will be open season on talented players at other then P5 programs.

If it does pass,this should make schools much more careful about coach's contracts,since they could potentially take a bunch of star athletes with them if they leave.
My company requires employees to sign a Confidentiality Agreement.It includes provisions that protects us from an employee "taking" any of our clients with them if they go to a competitor,or on their own.
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Deciduous Forest Cat
9/6/2017 11:12 AM
I would hope there would still be restrictions on recruiting or contacting players from other teams? (i.e. a player has to withdraw from his scholarship before contacting or being contacted by other schools)
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OU_Country
9/6/2017 11:17 AM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
We were talking about this this morning.
If this does get approved it will be open season on talented players at other then P5 programs.

If it does pass,this should make schools much more careful about coach's contracts,since they could potentially take a bunch of star athletes with them if they leave.

My company requires employees to sign a Confidentiality Agreement.It includes provisions that protects us from an employee "taking" any of our clients with them if they go to a competitor,or on their own.
Honestly, this is something that should be in place now. Is it not? Of course the kicker is that freedom of choice would allow that player to leave on their choice, to follow the coaches that recruited them from the start. So, there's really little protection.
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Brian Smith (No, not that one)
9/6/2017 12:36 PM
I agree with this in principle. I think everyone should have the right to play wherever they want (and be paid for their labor...but that's another argument). But I also think it will destroy college athletics.
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cc-cat
9/6/2017 1:46 PM
Jason Carter would (most likely) NOT be on our roster this year if this rule were in place.
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OU_Country
9/6/2017 2:28 PM
Brian Smith wrote:expand_more
I agree with this in principle. I think everyone should have the right to play wherever they want (and be paid for their labor...but that's another argument). But I also think it will destroy college athletics.
I agree with your last statement. I'll leave the other to the thread dedicated to it already. I'd be stunned if the majority of coaches and AD's are actually behind this in principle. If they were, the majority could stand to lose one or more of their best players almost every year.
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rpbobcat
9/6/2017 2:40 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
I agree with this in principle. I think everyone should have the right to play wherever they want (and be paid for their labor...but that's another argument). But I also think it will destroy college athletics.
I agree with your last statement. I'll leave the other to the thread dedicated to it already. I'd be stunned if the majority of coaches and AD's are actually behind this in principle. If they were, the majority could stand to lose one or more of their best players almost every year.
I think most of the P5 coaches and AD's wouldn't have an issue with this.

I think they would look at it as an opportunity to "acquire" talent from "lesser" programs.
I also think they feel they are sooooo powerful no one is going to raid their talent.

About the only thing they might fear is losing players,when a coach departs.
But that can handled by properly wording coach's contracts.
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OU_Country
9/6/2017 3:22 PM
I don't know how these rules are adopted in the formal sense, but P5, as we all know, isn't the majority of athletic deparments.
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OUVan
9/6/2017 3:28 PM
I guess I'm in the minority. I see this as horrible news. Every single team in the country is going to be sitting on pins and needles after each and every season waiting to see which players are coming back. It's awesome news for the Kentuckys and Dukes of the world though. They are already doing the one and dones but now they can do it with other teams' players.
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rpbobcat
9/6/2017 3:53 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
I don't know how these rules are adopted in the formal sense, but P5, as we all know, isn't the majority of athletic deparments.
The majority of athletic departments may not be P5,but the P5's carry a lot of weight.

Also,from reading the article in your original post,the chair of the committee handling this,who is from a South Dakota State doesn't come off as opposed.
If he's representative of other smaller conference schools this may happen without much objection.
Last Edited: 9/6/2017 3:58:28 PM by rpbobcat
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BillyTheCat
9/6/2017 6:05 PM
rpbobcat wrote:expand_more
We were talking about this this morning.
If this does get approved it will be open season on talented players at other then P5 programs.

If it does pass,this should make schools much more careful about coach's contracts,since they could potentially take a bunch of star athletes with them if they leave.
My company requires employees to sign a Confidentiality Agreement.It includes provisions that protects us from an employee "taking" any of our clients with them if they go to a competitor,or on their own.
NCAA athletes are not employees though
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Big Willy
9/6/2017 6:58 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
We were talking about this this morning.
If this does get approved it will be open season on talented players at other then P5 programs.

If it does pass,this should make schools much more careful about coach's contracts,since they could potentially take a bunch of star athletes with them if they leave.
My company requires employees to sign a Confidentiality Agreement.It includes provisions that protects us from an employee "taking" any of our clients with them if they go to a competitor,or on their own.
NCAA athletes are not employees though
Coaches are.
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rpbobcat
9/7/2017 7:55 AM
Big Willy wrote:expand_more
We were talking about this this morning.
If this does get approved it will be open season on talented players at other then P5 programs.

If it does pass,this should make schools much more careful about coach's contracts,since they could potentially take a bunch of star athletes with them if they leave.
My company requires employees to sign a Confidentiality Agreement.It includes provisions that protects us from an employee "taking" any of our clients with them if they go to a competitor,or on their own.
NCAA athletes are not employees though
Coaches are.
Beat me to it ! :-)
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Jeff McKinney
9/7/2017 8:57 AM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
I guess I'm in the minority. I see this as horrible news. Every single team in the country is going to be sitting on pins and needles after each and every season waiting to see which players are coming back. It's awesome news for the Kentuckys and Dukes of the world though. They are already doing the one and dones but now they can do it with other teams' players.
I agree. I don't think it's exaggerating to say that this would be the end of Div I mid major basketball as we know it. It would be utter chaos on rosters every year. It would be comparable to the juco world, except for the GPA requirement. But even that would be a joke as players anticipating potential future transferring would load up on easy courses to meet the GPA needed.

I'd love to hear why someone from South Dakota St thinks this is a good idea. It would be open season poaching of mid major players by high majors.
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Ted Thompson
9/7/2017 9:39 AM
Just think of what we went through with Jaaron this year. That would happen to every player every year. Even most P5 schools would be part of the food chain.
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BillyTheCat
9/7/2017 11:41 AM
Big Willy wrote:expand_more
We were talking about this this morning.
If this does get approved it will be open season on talented players at other then P5 programs.

If it does pass,this should make schools much more careful about coach's contracts,since they could potentially take a bunch of star athletes with them if they leave.
My company requires employees to sign a Confidentiality Agreement.It includes provisions that protects us from an employee "taking" any of our clients with them if they go to a competitor,or on their own.
NCAA athletes are not employees though
Coaches are.
Coaches are, but the student athletes who move on would not be restrained. Most coaches move "UP", and will be focusing on players who are at the higher level. A coach taking a job at a major conference school is not going to be around very long if he takes the 6'8" center from the small mid-major. That coach had better be focusing on higher level players to compete night in and night out with the higher level game.
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OU_Country
9/7/2017 12:37 PM
Jeff McKinney wrote:expand_more
I guess I'm in the minority. I see this as horrible news. Every single team in the country is going to be sitting on pins and needles after each and every season waiting to see which players are coming back. It's awesome news for the Kentuckys and Dukes of the world though. They are already doing the one and dones but now they can do it with other teams' players.
I agree. I don't think it's exaggerating to say that this would be the end of Div I mid major basketball as we know it. It would be utter chaos on rosters every year. It would be comparable to the juco world, except for the GPA requirement. But even that would be a joke as players anticipating potential future transferring would load up on easy courses to meet the GPA needed.

I'd love to hear why someone from South Dakota St thinks this is a good idea. It would be open season poaching of mid major players by high majors.
I can see why players might want this, but I can't understand why at least 80% of coaches would think this is a good plan. Even for players, there will be plenty who will likely be effectively forced out by transfers who are deemed better. I'm hoping this is merely something being discussed rather than reality. Considering that other sources haven't reported this that I'm aware of, that may well be the case.
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Chuck_IV
9/7/2017 12:48 PM
Ted Thompson wrote:expand_more
Just think of what we went through with Jaaron this year. That would happen to every player every year. Even most P5 schools would be part of the food chain.
Exactly. This is horrible news for mid majors like us. I don't think a lot of people understand this.

The vision behind this is something along the lines of when a major conference team loses players to the draft/graduation, they can simply pillage top players from mid-major schools and have them jump right in, just like we saw with Jaaron.

Players jumping between P5 schools isn't a big deal to the P5 schools. Players jumping from a mid-major to a P5 school is a HUGE deal to the mid-major. The mid-majors would essentially become the minor leagues for the big boys.
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OUVan
9/7/2017 2:56 PM
Chuck_IV wrote:expand_more
Exactly. This is horrible news for mid majors like us. I don't think a lot of people understand this.
I think it isn't just us (mids) that it's horrible for. If we lose players where do you think we are going to fill our roster? Every roster of every team is going to be in constant flux. It's also going to have a huge impact on recruiting. It's going to be impossible to have a four or five year plan. The only group I see this being good for are walk-ons.
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rpbobcat
9/7/2017 3:07 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
Coaches are, but the student athletes who move on would not be restrained. Most coaches move "UP", and will be focusing on players who are at the higher level. A coach taking a job at a major conference school is not going to be around very long if he takes the 6'8" center from the small mid-major. That coach had better be focusing on higher level players to compete night in and night out with the higher level game.
Student athletes may not be restrained,but you can restrict a coach's ability to take players to another program.

I would think you would include language in their contract similar to a buy out clause.

As far as a coach taking players with him.
It depends on who the coach has playing for him.

Are you suggesting that if a coach has a Gary Trent like player,he wouldn't want him to go with him to another program or that that player wouldn't be capable of playing at a higher level ?
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catfan28
9/7/2017 3:40 PM
This is awful. Making college sports into pro sports (free agency) essentially.

I would advocate doing the opposite and taking away the graduate transfer. You want to transfer, you sit a year. Period. Put some skin in the game for making that decision.

Coaches have a buy-out and occasionally other contract deterrents for leaving. The only way to have the same skin in the game for student-athletes is requiring a year to sit. If you want to transfer so bad, just take the year to sit and move on. Taking away that deterrent will turn college sports into the Wild West. And of course, kill the little guys (as usual)...
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OhioBobcat
9/7/2017 4:50 PM
Ted Thompson wrote:expand_more
Just think of what we went through with Jaaron this year. That would happen to every player every year. Even most P5 schools would be part of the food chain.
I agree. Gary Trent would have lasted one year at Ohio with this in place. It would become the college version of what is happening to the NBA. Good players stockpiled on a few select teams and a bunch of lousy teams throughout the rest of the league. This rule would benefit some and hurt a lot of others. I don't think any student athlete should be "blocked" from going to another school. But to open the door on letting them openly transfer immediately like this proposal would simply open the floodgates. I think it would be terrible overall.
Last Edited: 9/7/2017 4:52:26 PM by OhioBobcat
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OU_Country
9/7/2017 5:29 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
I guess I'm in the minority. I see this as horrible news. Every single team in the country is going to be sitting on pins and needles after each and every season waiting to see which players are coming back. It's awesome news for the Kentuckys and Dukes of the world though. They are already doing the one and dones but now they can do it with other teams' players.
I agree. I don't think it's exaggerating to say that this would be the end of Div I mid major basketball as we know it. It would be utter chaos on rosters every year. It would be comparable to the juco world, except for the GPA requirement. But even that would be a joke as players anticipating potential future transferring would load up on easy courses to meet the GPA needed.

I'd love to hear why someone from South Dakota St thinks this is a good idea. It would be open season poaching of mid major players by high majors.
I can see why players might want this, but I can't understand why at least 80% of coaches would think this is a good plan. Even for players, there will be plenty who will likely be effectively forced out by transfers who are deemed better. I'm hoping this is merely something being discussed rather than reality. Considering that other sources haven't reported this that I'm aware of, that may well be the case.
Gary Parrish of CBS has an opinion on it. It won't be popular here:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/potenti... /
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PG73
9/7/2017 5:52 PM
This would be the end of the so called mid major. Recruiting is hard enough now. Look what we went thru when Simmons left. Seems like we would always be running around trying to fill last minute roster spots. Horrible idea.
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