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Posted: 1/30/2018 7:46 PM
This team is worse than Saul's first year squad.
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Posted: 1/30/2018 7:54 PM
Other than not being able to score, defend, or rebound, it wasn’t that bad.
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Posted: 1/30/2018 7:55 PM
Or coach.
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Posted: 1/30/2018 7:56 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
This team is worse than Saul's first year squad.
I was actually sitting here thinking that. Then I get onto the board at the half and you already took the words out of my mouth and into a discussion. I have no clue what our offensive philosophy is. I have no clue what substitution patterns are for us. I have no idea why Laster and Dartis pass up shots now. They must be waaaaay more injured than they let on. And I have no idea how anyone can defend Saul anymore.

I WISH they had Bean Willis right now. At least it would be exciting because you knew he could go for 30 on any given night (or putter to six points on another).
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Posted: 1/30/2018 7:56 PM
I agree. Basketball, by it's very name, is about getting the ball in the basket. The 'Cats don't even seem to be able to do that. This is horrible. I have never seen a worse performance from an Ohio Bobcats team.
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Posted: 1/30/2018 7:57 PM
Here's my impersonation of Ohio basketball...

CLANG

CLANG

CLANG

CLANG
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Posted: 1/30/2018 8:01 PM
Maddog13 wrote:expand_more
I agree. Basketball, by it's very name, is about getting the ball in the basket. The 'Cats don't even seem to be able to do that. This is horrible. I have never seen a worse performance from an Ohio Bobcats team.
I don't see any continuity or any offensive toughness. Kirk is the only guy who drives. Block has had one good game (Kent) since his heroics against Indiana State and Laster and Dartis look lost for some reason.
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Posted: 1/30/2018 8:04 PM
I'd go so far as to say there's a Wilderness Campaign vibe tonight.
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Posted: 1/30/2018 8:11 PM
Bobcat1998 wrote:expand_more
I agree. Basketball, by it's very name, is about getting the ball in the basket. The 'Cats don't even seem to be able to do that. This is horrible. I have never seen a worse performance from an Ohio Bobcats team.
I don't see any continuity or any offensive toughness. Kirk is the only guy who drives. Block has had one good game (Kent) since his heroics against Indiana State and Laster and Dartis look lost for some reason.
Does anyone truly believe Kirk stays in this program after this season?
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Posted: 1/30/2018 8:14 PM
We simply have guys who shouldn't be on the floor at this level. Not their fault just the facts. Are we ready yet to say that Dozier is a complete bust? If he can't see the floor during this disaster I don't even know what to say. I hate to pile on but wow. Maybe Saul shouldn't be on the sidelines at this level.
Last Edited: 1/30/2018 8:21:56 PM by ohiocatfan1
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Posted: 1/30/2018 8:21 PM
I’ve never seen a group pass up more open looks. So much reluctance to shoot.
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Posted: 1/30/2018 8:25 PM
Sure feels like rock bottom. But after three more injuries tonight, I wonder how much worse the losses still might get. Maybe the team starts losing by 40 instead of 25?

And it doesn't sound like the cavalry is coming. Yes, Jason Carter will hopefully be back next year. If Kirk stays, he's solid. But it sounds as if recruiting has been underwhelming, so... I still don't see it.

Next season will have a true boom-or-bust feel. This team needs to do more than just be in the top half of the league next year to warrant an extension for the league's highest-paid coach.

In summary: yuck.
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Posted: 1/30/2018 8:26 PM
Does anyone honestly believe that one player turns this shipwreck around?
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Posted: 1/30/2018 9:07 PM
ohiocatfan1 wrote:expand_more
I agree. Basketball, by it's very name, is about getting the ball in the basket. The 'Cats don't even seem to be able to do that. This is horrible. I have never seen a worse performance from an Ohio Bobcats team.
I don't see any continuity or any offensive toughness. Kirk is the only guy who drives. Block has had one good game (Kent) since his heroics against Indiana State and Laster and Dartis look lost for some reason.
Does anyone truly believe Kirk stays in this program after this season?
My worry as well. Ryan Taylor? Only thing I can think is the teammates are quality people.
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Posted: 1/30/2018 9:40 PM
#14Months
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Posted: 1/30/2018 9:45 PM
I did my taxes during the first half. I turned on the TV and laughed. Then laughed some more when saw Zach B with his arm in a sling. Then laughed again when I saw Jordy go down.

Not laughing at their misfortunes, obviously I don't wanna see guys get hurt...

...But just laughing at this season. Just...What is this? Its like the Murphys Law of basketball seasons. Everything that can go wrong, will.
Last Edited: 1/30/2018 9:46:45 PM by GoCats105
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Posted: 1/30/2018 10:07 PM
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What is this? Its like the Murphys Law of basketball seasons. Everything that can go wrong, will.
Except that it's not. Yes, we'd be much better without injuries, but we wouldn't be world beaters. We still wouldn't be close to Buffalo, for example. What these injuries have highlighted are just how weak we are top to bottom. No bench. Guys on scholarship who aren't MAC-level players. No coherent strategy from game to game. Deep fundamental flaws. I can't imagine it's what any of us had in mind when most of us were excited with the hire four years ago.
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Posted: 1/30/2018 10:15 PM
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What is this? Its like the Murphys Law of basketball seasons. Everything that can go wrong, will.
Except that it's not. Yes, we'd be much better without injuries, but we wouldn't be world beaters. We still wouldn't be close to Buffalo, for example. What these injuries have highlighted are just how weak we are top to bottom. No bench.

**Guys on scholarship who aren't MAC-level players.**

No coherent strategy from game to game. Deep fundamental flaws. I can't imagine it's what any of us had in mind when most of us were excited with the hire four years ago.
**I see where Jesus had 2 points and 4 fouls tonight. The current recruiting class sounds like they make him seem like Larry Bird by comparison.
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Posted: 1/30/2018 10:23 PM
At least the post game interview on the Bobcat Radio Network was supremely insightful, poised, and responsibility driven with such stalwart quotes as, "I've got to get this figured out" and "This group is struggling to score". If that's not a highest paid coach / highest funded program type stance, I don't know what is....
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Posted: 1/30/2018 10:25 PM
Maddog13 wrote:expand_more
I agree. Basketball, by it's very name, is about getting the ball in the basket. The 'Cats don't even seem to be able to do that. This is horrible. I have never seen a worse performance from an Ohio Bobcats team.
You must have forgotten about Timmy O’Shea scoring 12 in a half.
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Posted: 1/30/2018 11:11 PM
In a previous subject post I spoke of past MAC successful coaches. One such coach was Ball State's Rick Majerus, not a personal favorite of mine but he knew how to motivate and coach with little talent. In one infamous game he drew two technical fouls (I believe he was thrown out.) Why you might ask, bad officiating perhaps? No, he felt he team was not giving their all. He said something to the effect that practices would be like hell so he would never see that something like that again. The Ball State faithful never did see something like that again.

Unfortunately, we have seen too many lackadaisical performances. I can't remember when you could hear the frustration come through loud and clear in the call of the game via the radio and internet. This would be unacceptable if we were watching a game at Athens High, let alone in the Convo where Coach Phillips makes more than dare I say everyone on this board and certainly every state officeholder. He truly is the 1% and yet the performances are far from the 99%.

I am an optimist by nature but something has to change with what we are seeing on the hardwood. I can't remember the last time I criticized a current basketball coach. The last time I saw something like this was with Coach Hahn in the late 80s. Both Coach Hahn and Coach Phillips are honorable men, but clearly Coach Hahn wasn't cut out to be a head coach and it set us back for many years, erasing all of the goodwill that Coach Nee had brought to Athens. Coach O'Shea (the infamous TOS) perhaps didn't want to be here, but he did give us one moment of tournament magic.

Coach Phillips has to find a way to connect, cajole, scare or intimidate the players, he by and large recruited to play here. If nothing else, call Coach Nee and asked what he did when things weren't going as expected. Perhaps even watch a few old Rick Majerus era Ball State games, surely they exist somewhere maybe someone could send him an old VHS tape, but please do something because the current roster plays as if they were hypnotized not to win.
Last Edited: 1/30/2018 11:18:40 PM by cbus cat fan
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Posted: 1/31/2018 9:34 AM
maybe one day we will look back at the bball program and there will be a nice * next to this season when we finish with 9 wins

*denotes entire team was injured
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Posted: 1/31/2018 9:54 AM
greencat wrote:expand_more
What is this? Its like the Murphys Law of basketball seasons. Everything that can go wrong, will.
Except that it's not. Yes, we'd be much better without injuries, but we wouldn't be world beaters. We still wouldn't be close to Buffalo, for example. What these injuries have highlighted are just how weak we are top to bottom. No bench.

**Guys on scholarship who aren't MAC-level players.**

No coherent strategy from game to game. Deep fundamental flaws. I can't imagine it's what any of us had in mind when most of us were excited with the hire four years ago.
**I see where Jesus had 2 points and 4 fouls tonight. The current recruiting class sounds like they make him seem like Larry Bird by comparison.
I didn't know basketball was invented in the time of Jesus. Are the Baptists right? Has He returned?
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Posted: 1/31/2018 10:38 AM
ohiocatfan1 wrote:expand_more
I agree. Basketball, by it's very name, is about getting the ball in the basket. The 'Cats don't even seem to be able to do that. This is horrible. I have never seen a worse performance from an Ohio Bobcats team.
I don't see any continuity or any offensive toughness. Kirk is the only guy who drives. Block has had one good game (Kent) since his heroics against Indiana State and Laster and Dartis look lost for some reason.
Does anyone truly believe Kirk stays in this program after this season?
While he is a driver, Kirk does not appear to be much of a passer. He is apparently not getting the message about passing to teammates. You bb experts may have a better take on that, I’m going more by stats.

I did not watch the post game press conference, but the Post article says Saul mentions 13 passes in 11 possessions at one point. They are apparently not doing in the games what they are doing well in practice. I don’t think just the injuries are the problem. He has lost the team. The proof is the team on the floor not following his instructions.
Last Edited: 1/31/2018 11:18:29 AM by colobobcat66
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Posted: 1/31/2018 10:59 AM
This was the worst night of basketball I've watched in a long time.

1. This OU debacle with whatever ESPN3 was calling a color analyst

2. The Cavs looked horrible vs. an undermanned Detroit team and Love breaks his hand.

3. Kentucky is about to go down at Rupp to a losing Vanderbilt team, but Vanderbilt FOULS UK WITH 2 SECONDS TO GO in the backcourt, to allow UK to hit game-tying FTs and send to OT for the win.

4. Speaking of FTs, Baylor just has to hit theirs to upset the other OU, but can't hit anything. Oklahoma narrowly avoids the upset.

That's four badly played basketball games I watched.

Bad.
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