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DelBobcat
12/27/2017 12:34 PM
https://deadspin.com/this-0-13-basketball-team-is-a-favor...

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Last Edited: 12/27/2017 12:35:12 PM by DelBobcat
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GoCats105
12/27/2017 1:03 PM
That's a bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off for them.
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Buckeye to Bobcat
12/27/2017 3:21 PM
Despite of my thoughts of Mike Davis during his time at Indiana, (not a huge fan of the Bracey Wright era....yak!) the guy can put teams in position to win. Not suprised that they're the favorites. They do the traditional SWAC No Mercy Tour, which means you're 1-11 at best coming into league play.
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GoCats105
12/27/2017 4:06 PM
Current SWAC standings:

Grambling 4-8 .333 L1

Alcorn State 4-9 .308 L1

Southern 3-9 .250 L1

Jackson State 3-10 .231 L3

Prairie View A&M 2-11 .154 L8

Alabama State 0-12 .000 L12

Alabama A&M 0-13 .000 L13

Mississippi Valley State 0-13 .000 L13

Texas Southern 0-13 .000 L13

Arkansas-Pine Bluff 0-14 .000 L14
Last Edited: 12/27/2017 4:06:41 PM by GoCats105
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Buckeye to Bobcat
12/27/2017 4:47 PM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Current SWAC standings:

Grambling 4-8 .333 L1

Alcorn State 4-9 .308 L1

Southern 3-9 .250 L1

Jackson State 3-10 .231 L3

Prairie View A&M 2-11 .154 L8

Alabama State 0-12 .000 L12

Alabama A&M 0-13 .000 L13

Mississippi Valley State 0-13 .000 L13

Texas Southern 0-13 .000 L13

Arkansas-Pine Bluff 0-14 .000 L14

Smartass lol.

Meant it as in they rarely get to play home games, mostly P5 and good schools to boot for the funding of their athletic dept.
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GoCats105
12/28/2017 8:10 AM
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:expand_more
Current SWAC standings:

Grambling 4-8 .333 L1

Alcorn State 4-9 .308 L1

Southern 3-9 .250 L1

Jackson State 3-10 .231 L3

Prairie View A&M 2-11 .154 L8

Alabama State 0-12 .000 L12

Alabama A&M 0-13 .000 L13

Mississippi Valley State 0-13 .000 L13

Texas Southern 0-13 .000 L13

Arkansas-Pine Bluff 0-14 .000 L14

Smartass lol.

Meant it as in they rarely get to play home games, mostly P5 and good schools to boot for the funding of their athletic dept.
Oh I wasn't trying to be a smart ass I was agreeing with you by laying the facts out there. I didn't realize the entire conference was that way until I saw their records.
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DelBobcat
12/28/2017 10:23 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Current SWAC standings:

Grambling 4-8 .333 L1

Alcorn State 4-9 .308 L1

Southern 3-9 .250 L1

Jackson State 3-10 .231 L3

Prairie View A&M 2-11 .154 L8

Alabama State 0-12 .000 L12

Alabama A&M 0-13 .000 L13

Mississippi Valley State 0-13 .000 L13

Texas Southern 0-13 .000 L13

Arkansas-Pine Bluff 0-14 .000 L14

Smartass lol.

Meant it as in they rarely get to play home games, mostly P5 and good schools to boot for the funding of their athletic dept.
Oh I wasn't trying to be a smart ass I was agreeing with you by laying the facts out there. I didn't realize the entire conference was that way until I saw their records.
I didn't realize this either. That would've been some important context to add to the article.
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Buckeye to Bobcat
12/28/2017 11:35 AM
GoCats105 wrote:expand_more
Current SWAC standings:

Grambling 4-8 .333 L1

Alcorn State 4-9 .308 L1

Southern 3-9 .250 L1

Jackson State 3-10 .231 L3

Prairie View A&M 2-11 .154 L8

Alabama State 0-12 .000 L12

Alabama A&M 0-13 .000 L13

Mississippi Valley State 0-13 .000 L13

Texas Southern 0-13 .000 L13

Arkansas-Pine Bluff 0-14 .000 L14

Smartass lol.

Meant it as in they rarely get to play home games, mostly P5 and good schools to boot for the funding of their athletic dept.
Oh I wasn't trying to be a smart ass I was agreeing with you by laying the facts out there. I didn't realize the entire conference was that way until I saw their records.
You debunked my whole 1 win theory with 4 win teams. All's good, but in general this is a league that shows no mercy.
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Alan Swank
12/28/2017 12:20 PM
I love this quote from Mike Davis-

“To have a home game you’ve gotta pay the officials $4,000-$5,000. The people [working the scorers’] table are another $2,500. So in order to have a home game, we’ve gotta clear $10,000. We’re not gonna clear $10,000. And I don’t want to waste my time playing NAIA teams. If we play a lower team, nobody’s gonna come in and see that. The math is simple.”
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OU_Country
12/28/2017 2:07 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I love this quote from Mike Davis-

“To have a home game you’ve gotta pay the officials $4,000-$5,000. The people [working the scorers’] table are another $2,500. So in order to have a home game, we’ve gotta clear $10,000. We’re not gonna clear $10,000. And I don’t want to waste my time playing NAIA teams. If we play a lower team, nobody’s gonna come in and see that. The math is simple.”
I don't disagree with his logic on the NAIA teams, but I'd have to ask why, after 3 conference tournament championships in 4 years, why can't they clear $10,000 on a home game in a nice building that seats 8,000? In Houston!

I also have questions about the scorer's table cost, and the officials costs. Seems to me like that's high, but I don't know any facts to support my suspicions.
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OU_Country
12/28/2017 2:10 PM
Here's a little on the topic of officials pay:

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/college-b...

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2016/01/28/ncaa-bas...
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Ohio69
12/28/2017 6:18 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
I love this quote from Mike Davis-

“To have a home game you’ve gotta pay the officials $4,000-$5,000. The people [working the scorers’] table are another $2,500. So in order to have a home game, we’ve gotta clear $10,000. We’re not gonna clear $10,000. And I don’t want to waste my time playing NAIA teams. If we play a lower team, nobody’s gonna come in and see that. The math is simple.”
So why on earth are they playing basketball at this level?

It makes no sense at all.
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Recovering Journalist
12/29/2017 8:42 AM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
I love this quote from Mike Davis-

“To have a home game you’ve gotta pay the officials $4,000-$5,000. The people [working the scorers’] table are another $2,500. So in order to have a home game, we’ve gotta clear $10,000. We’re not gonna clear $10,000. And I don’t want to waste my time playing NAIA teams. If we play a lower team, nobody’s gonna come in and see that. The math is simple.”
So why on earth are they playing basketball at this level?

It makes no sense at all.
If you're referencing breaking even or better on a home game, you could ask the same of many of our conference mates in hoops and most MAC teams in football.
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The Optimist
12/29/2017 8:50 AM
Ohio69 wrote:expand_more
I love this quote from Mike Davis-

“To have a home game you’ve gotta pay the officials $4,000-$5,000. The people [working the scorers’] table are another $2,500. So in order to have a home game, we’ve gotta clear $10,000. We’re not gonna clear $10,000. And I don’t want to waste my time playing NAIA teams. If we play a lower team, nobody’s gonna come in and see that. The math is simple.”
So why on earth are they playing basketball at this level?

It makes no sense at all.
If you go on the road (like they are) and play buy games (like they are) you can easily clear A LOT of money.

I'm surprised more programs haven't gone "all-in" on buy-games just for the money. I liked when Ohio played 1-2 buy games and used that money to pay for home games themselves... Good equation for teams with a fanbase. No fanbase, why not go on the road and cash in?
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The Optimist
12/29/2017 9:14 AM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
1st article states the P5 is paying $2,500-$3,000 a game for officials PLUS a travel stipend on-top of that.

Figure the SWAC is only paying maybe $1,250 a game plus a $250 travel stipend multiple that by three officials and you're up to $4,500.

I don't know the specifics for basketball, but in some sports the scorers operating the game clock and managing the substitutions are actually officials. Not sure how that factors into this equation since he mentioned the scorers table seperately, but they'd be paid a decent chunk as well...
Again, not sure for basketball specifically, but in some sports these new video replay systems involve ANOTHER licensed official behind-the-scenes watching game footage live. (A great example of technology CREATING jobs and also raising operating costs...)
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