Calm down, people. Ball State is no slouch...we missed a lot of shots we should have made, it happens. Please remember our extremely highly regarded point guard bolted in the offseason, and our freshman of the year and super duper awesome player Jason Carter has been injured effectively all year, not to mention other lingering injuries. That is a tough pill to swallow, but aside from the CMU game, we have competed and shown we can succeed.

I'm certainly not looking to next year already and think this team can take off. If you've had apathy set in, fine go watch Netflix, I guess we'll see you when the team starts winning.

Good points. This team doesn't have a Setty. Laster does try to carry the team and does so on many occasions. We need someone who can come off the bench when play gets lethargic and provide a pick-me-up. I was hoping that AJG might be that guy, but so far I haven't seen it. Maybe once he gets a little more playing time, he'll blossom into this kind of player.

What's really interesting about those blow out numbers: NIU with just 1 would not be confused with a good team anywhere along that timeline.

Toledo, UB, Akron, after that would have been considered to be in the top of the conference during that time. Kent won it last year, and WMU won the west, and they aren't far off from where Ohio is, both now, and during those years.

I didn't classify Ohio as a "bad basketball" team ... nor would I.

I was just pointing some of the inconsistencies with the program the last 4 years.

Ohio has four 20+ point losses ... only one less than Miami (which, I believe, we would all classify as a bad basketball program). Ohio is closer to Miami in terms of this stat than Akron/Buffalo, the two flagship programs the last four years. I think a lot of us would like to consider Ohio part of that group, especially considering the money Ohio spends. Akron and Buffalo have COMBINED for only three 20+ point losses during that same time span.

***I'm reluctant to put WMU in that category because they've been really up-and-down as a program the last four years. Ball State was more surprising that they've seen such blowouts.

And with Ohio's four 20+ point losses ... they also have four such wins. In comparison, Akron and Buffalo have nine (UB 6, Akron 3) ... Toledo stunningly has seven 20+ point wins to go with only two 20+ point losses.

Again ... not saying Ohio is a bad program. But it's been all over the place with 20 point wins ... 20 point losses .... MAC wins on the road ... MAC losses at home. I would just think that four years in, there would be a little more consistency and a solid foundation laid with Saul. I know injuries have derailed most of those plans. But I would think a solid foundation in place would be enough that a 20+ point blowout against a team like CMU would be happening anymore ... no matter who is injured.

And as far as Xavier/Villanova is concerned. Villanova OWNS them! 9-1 since they joined the Big East. (Full disclosure ... I'm a huge 'Nova fan ... my dad is an alum ... so I've been a Wildcat for life) And no, I wouldn't say Xavier is a bad team because 'Nova has destroyed them consistently. I'd just say 'Nova has their number.

Ohio's losses have come to CMU (x2), EMU, and Buffalo ... a little bit different than Villanova.

Get a sense of humor, Chad!

Further, I couldn't last a half minute in a college basketball game. I'm probably one of the worst, least talented guys ever to play the game, so I'm not trying to compare my abilities with Chad's. That would be ludicrous. Just ask Alan Swank. He used to play in our pick up league. Alan actually had a little talent, unlike me.

You want to talk about a staff not developing a player? He's the case study. A point guard, who could do it all on offense besides shoot as a frosh, and by the time he leaves he can't take a couple three's a game, and make 25% from three just to keep them honest? And can't make 65% at the line?

Or, did they restrict him from shooting?

These stats are truly incredible and pathetic.

At your age I am surprised you did not break a hip.

Does this mean that you wish I had broken a hip? You are a man known for your compassion and empathy.

Thanks for the clarification! ;-)