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Posted: 3/12/2018 11:31 PM
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Posted: 3/13/2018 12:05 AM
He's right.
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Posted: 3/13/2018 12:13 AM
I applaud Coach K on this one. It has become Grade A bull what the NCAA has done to the NIT along with itself. I'm done with this whole amateurism crap and the NCAA.
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Posted: 3/13/2018 12:15 AM
It’s simply a business and nothing more.
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Posted: 3/13/2018 6:11 AM
And some people are OK with that while some are not.
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Posted: 3/13/2018 8:14 AM
It's beginning to look like all NCAA athletics are like the lottery, and leagues like the MAC are spending their rent money on scratch-off tickets in the vain hope of getting rich. The whole thing has always been rigged against the G5 in football and mid-majors in basketball, but it gets worse every year. Hard not to be disenchanted with the whole thing.
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Posted: 3/13/2018 9:34 AM
Recovering Journalist wrote:expand_more
It's beginning to look like all NCAA athletics are like the lottery, and leagues like the MAC are spending their rent money on scratch-off tickets in the vain hope of getting rich. The whole thing has always been rigged against the G5 in football and mid-majors in basketball, but it gets worse every year. Hard not to be disenchanted with the whole thing.
I feel the same way. I've reached the point that I'm more interested in the season as a whole, and the conference tournaments more than the NCAA tournament. I don't even enter pools anymore. I watch so I can root for the mid-majors along with the couple teams I have an interest in.

At what point do the 26 "non-power" leagues address this through litigation, or the threat of it?
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Posted: 3/13/2018 9:39 AM
The best coaches know exactly what is in the best interest of developing next year's team. Since Kowalcyzk has been with his program a long time and will have an experienced team back, the benefit of playing in CBI/CIT type of tournament is much less than the rest his squad will get for two weeks and the position development/small group practices they can do after the break. I respect his perspective and there are many other programs with good records/index ratings that made the same decision.

In terms of the NIT, the benefit to a program like Toledo's is exposure on the ESPN family of networks and more game film against decent competition. I see why he would've wanted his team to be an at-large selection. And, he knows how this tournament is structured and has been since the NCAA took it over when it was on shaky ground financially -- a safety valve to take pressure off the around the last few teams selected for the field of 68 and smaller conference teams upset in league tournaments. It needs to break even and not detract from the money making big show on the other networks. Nothing to see here in my opinion. It is what it is.

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Posted: 3/13/2018 10:13 AM
Joe McKinley wrote:expand_more
The best coaches know exactly what is in the best interest of developing next year's team. Since Kowalcyzk has been with his program a long time and will have an experienced team back, the benefit of playing in CBI/CIT type of tournament is much less than the rest his squad will get for two weeks and the position development/small group practices they can do after the break. I respect his perspective and there are many other programs with good records/index ratings that made the same decision.

In terms of the NIT, the benefit to a program like Toledo's is exposure on the ESPN family of networks and more game film against decent competition. I see why he would've wanted his team to be an at-large selection. And, he knows how this tournament is structured and has been since the NCAA took it over when it was on shaky ground financially -- a safety valve to take pressure off the around the last few teams selected for the field of 68 and smaller conference teams upset in league tournaments. It needs to break even and not detract from the money making big show on the other networks. Nothing to see here in my opinion. It is what it is.

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Posted: 3/13/2018 12:15 PM
"Forget that Buffalo has a RPI rating at No. 25. The system is the system, with the committee selectively using an ever-shifting set of criteria to protect the cash cows and shiv the little guys."

I said things like this a number of years ago on this board and was raked over the coals for hinting that the committee might be just a little bit corrupt. I feel vindicated that many sports journalists are now seeing the same thing. Back then the standard line was that everything was on the up and up and that to think otherwise was to engage in a conspiracy theory that placed you on the grassy knoll with an M1 rifle.

I also liked the ending sentence:

"I wonder if the FBI has time to investigate the committee, too."

Perhaps, Jim Schaus was wearing a wire! ;-)

P.S. It seems to me that the only solution to this, short of the FBI recommending a criminal indictment, is to increase the size of the tournament.
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Posted: 3/13/2018 12:26 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
It’s simply a business and nothing more.
It's a business for the big boys. In the MAC (and lower), we're at the whims of decisions made above us.
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Posted: 3/13/2018 12:35 PM
Any mid-major AD's service on the committee is about burnishing his/her reputation/resume rather than fighting for their league. And, sadly, that includes our AD.

This is a charade. All AD staffers, including the top guy, are looking to move up. There's no loyalty. It's not about doing right by your school, coaches, student athletes or fans.
Last Edited: 3/13/2018 12:38:40 PM by SBH
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Posted: 3/13/2018 1:35 PM
SBH wrote:expand_more
Any mid-major AD's service on the committee is about burnishing his/her reputation/resume rather than fighting for their league. And, sadly, that includes our AD.

This is a charade. All AD staffers, including the top guy, are looking to move up. There's no loyalty. It's not about doing right by your school, coaches, student athletes or fans.
I think that would be the case most of the time, but I feel like if Schaus really wanted to move on it would have happened by now. I would think his loyalty is 100% OHIO and the MAC. but at no point is he the only voice in the room. I think the best solution is to make the selection process public.

I think Buffalo is better than a 13 seed. We were much better than a 13 seed in 2012 as well. Buffalo did have their chances at signature wins outside the conference, though, and didn't come through. They are partially to blame.
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Posted: 3/13/2018 3:02 PM
BillyTheCat wrote:expand_more
It’s simply a business and nothing more.
Oh no, what? I thought the NCAA was a non-profit organization, wink wink.
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Posted: 3/13/2018 3:12 PM
Truer words were never spoken.
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Posted: 3/13/2018 4:03 PM
Tod nailed it here.
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Posted: 3/13/2018 4:20 PM
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:expand_more
Any mid-major AD's service on the committee is about burnishing his/her reputation/resume rather than fighting for their league. And, sadly, that includes our AD.

This is a charade. All AD staffers, including the top guy, are looking to move up. There's no loyalty. It's not about doing right by your school, coaches, student athletes or fans.
I think that would be the case most of the time, but I feel like if Schaus really wanted to move on it would have happened by now. I would think his loyalty is 100% OHIO and the MAC. but at no point is he the only voice in the room. I think the best solution is to make the selection process public.

I think Buffalo is better than a 13 seed. We were much better than a 13 seed in 2012 as well. Buffalo did have their chances at signature wins outside the conference, though, and didn't come through. They are partially to blame.
I’m not sure Schaus has the ability on that committtee to make much difference.

I ask a honest question-does his resume warrant a better job? He has made some pretty good hires-Bolton is a home run IMO. Overall the athletic department is middle of the MAC pack, record wise, it seems.
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Posted: 3/13/2018 5:34 PM
Listening to what Shaheen has said over the last few days in examination...The committee is set up so that no one is able to lobby for a player or a team. He seems to play down things that ADs are allowed to manipulate geographically, conference affiliation or personal preferences. He says tHey are charged with utilizing data and making decisions based on Data Sets according to the current focus on the rules they have made for evaluating in a particular year.

As I listen to the former committee guys talk I get the impression that there is a ranking of teams by seed # then placement onto the bracket blindly, for example, Buffalo is a highest 13 seed so they fit the bracket where the highest 13 is predetermined to be placed. So, the bracket is set up beforehand then the discussion of where teams are ranked based on data sets. Once the ranking is done then they are just plugged in the pre set up bracket. I may be totally wrong but in examining the process and listening to whatever I can, that seems to be the impression I get. Looks like a rational approach devoid of anything that would let members influence place, bracket and personal bias but when you look at what it produced there seems to be more conspiracy theory than ever.

Personally, I like Villanova's route much better than UVA and suspect Bennett may have a little bracket envy. Same for several other similar situations.
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Posted: 3/13/2018 10:49 PM
bornacatfan wrote:expand_more
Listening to what Shaheen has said over the last few days in examination...The committee is set up so that no one is able to lobby for a player or a team. He seems to play down things that ADs are allowed to manipulate geographically, conference affiliation or personal preferences. He says tHey are charged with utilizing data and making decisions based on Data Sets according to the current focus on the rules they have made for evaluating in a particular year.

As I listen to the former committee guys talk I get the impression that there is a ranking of teams by seed # then placement onto the bracket blindly, for example, Buffalo is a highest 13 seed so they fit the bracket where the highest 13 is predetermined to be placed. So, the bracket is set up beforehand then the discussion of where teams are ranked based on data sets. Once the ranking is done then they are just plugged in the pre set up bracket. I may be totally wrong but in examining the process and listening to whatever I can, that seems to be the impression I get. Looks like a rational approach devoid of anything that would let members influence place, bracket and personal bias but when you look at what it produced there seems to be more conspiracy theory than ever.

Personally, I like Villanova's route much better than UVA and suspect Bennett may have a little bracket envy. Same for several other similar situations.
That is how I understand the process as well.
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Posted: 3/14/2018 11:11 AM
https://s3.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/TXcmPZlJlMsr3sIH3ZZpHA...

Here's a chart that spells it out. This is a list of the at-large bids since 2000. With five (GMU, VCU, Wichita St, Butler x2) mids making the Final Four from 2006 to 2013 the committee has decided to just to stop inviting them to play. Keep in mind that only Butler in that group were automatic qualifiers. No chance teams with GMU, VCU or Wichita State's resumes make the tournament today.
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Posted: 3/14/2018 11:18 AM
I conspiracytheorize that Orrin Hatch bully-pulpited Utah into the PAC 12. And, for anything to change for mid-majors regarding the NCAA tourney or anything else a similar approach would be needed. Ain't gonna happen.

Although, if Senator Brown is reading this, all these NCAA schools receive tons of federal dollars for all sorts of things. Wink wink nudge nudge...
Last Edited: 3/14/2018 11:18:51 AM by Ohio69
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Posted: 3/14/2018 1:14 PM
I like what Tod Kowalczyk said, but I also think if a power conference school offered him a job tomorrow, he'd be at Toledo Express in less than an hour. I think he'd forget everything he said about the MAC, be praising the power structure of the bigger conferences and the NCAA and be advocating for more power conference schools to get into the tournament.
Last Edited: 3/14/2018 1:16:15 PM by Brian Smith (No, not that one)
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Posted: 3/14/2018 1:27 PM
OUVan wrote:expand_more
https://s3.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/TXcmPZlJlMsr3sIH3ZZpHA...

Here's a chart that spells it out. This is a list of the at-large bids since 2000. With five (GMU, VCU, Wichita St, Butler x2) mids making the Final Four from 2006 to 2013 the committee has decided to just to stop inviting them to play. Keep in mind that only Butler in that group were automatic qualifiers. No chance teams with GMU, VCU or Wichita State's resumes make the tournament today.
There was a dramatic change in direction after 2013. Any idea what happened?
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Posted: 3/14/2018 2:35 PM
Alan Swank wrote:expand_more
https://s3.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/TXcmPZlJlMsr3sIH3ZZpHA...

Here's a chart that spells it out. This is a list of the at-large bids since 2000. With five (GMU, VCU, Wichita St, Butler x2) mids making the Final Four from 2006 to 2013 the committee has decided to just to stop inviting them to play. Keep in mind that only Butler in that group were automatic qualifiers. No chance teams with GMU, VCU or Wichita State's resumes make the tournament today.
There was a dramatic change in direction after 2013. Any idea what happened?
The first, and most notable I see: Change in the current selection committee chair and his team on the committee.

The next: Wichita State and Butler really aren't in "mid-major" conferences anymore, nor is Creighton, or Xavier, etc. In other words, several of the teams that were deemed mid-majors that received recent mid-major at large bids aren't in that kind of conference anymore.
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Posted: 3/14/2018 2:46 PM
OU_Country wrote:expand_more
https://s3.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/TXcmPZlJlMsr3sIH3ZZpHA...

Here's a chart that spells it out. This is a list of the at-large bids since 2000. With five (GMU, VCU, Wichita St, Butler x2) mids making the Final Four from 2006 to 2013 the committee has decided to just to stop inviting them to play. Keep in mind that only Butler in that group were automatic qualifiers. No chance teams with GMU, VCU or Wichita State's resumes make the tournament today.
There was a dramatic change in direction after 2013. Any idea what happened?
The first, and most notable I see: Change in the current selection committee chair and his team on the committee.

The next: Wichita State and Butler really aren't in "mid-major" conferences anymore, nor is Creighton, or Xavier, etc. In other words, several of the teams that were deemed mid-majors that received recent mid-major at large bids aren't in that kind of conference anymore.
Sure, they're not anymore. But the big conferences don't want anyone else to get BIG like they did.
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