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Posted: 2/17/2012 4:51 PM
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Looks like the series will have free video streaming.
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Posted: 2/17/2012 7:32 PM
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I see that we are lacking a closer. It is a shame that they fought so hard to take the lead in the top of the tenth only to blow it in the bottom of the tenth.
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Posted: 2/17/2012 9:22 PM
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Both runs in the bottom of the 10th were unearned.
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Posted: 2/18/2012 3:52 PM
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Win in the first game of the doubleheader.
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Posted: 2/19/2012 12:33 AM
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Jughead wrote:expand_more
I see that we are lacking a closer. It is a shame that they fought so hard to take the lead in the top of the tenth only to blow it in the bottom of the tenth.


Closers are a myth.
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Posted: 2/20/2012 7:54 PM
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JSF wrote:expand_more
I see that we are lacking a closer. It is a shame that they fought so hard to take the lead in the top of the tenth only to blow it in the bottom of the tenth.


Closers are a myth.


The 1997 Cleveland Indians would like to disagree with you!
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Posted: 2/20/2012 11:34 PM
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ohio9704 wrote:expand_more
I see that we are lacking a closer. It is a shame that they fought so hard to take the lead in the top of the tenth only to blow it in the bottom of the tenth.


Closers are a myth.


The 1997 Cleveland Indians would like to disagree with you!


Ah, yes. I remember when Jose Mesa committed that error. What was he doing playing infield?
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Posted: 2/21/2012 3:42 PM
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JSF wrote:expand_more
I see that we are lacking a closer. It is a shame that they fought so hard to take the lead in the top of the tenth only to blow it in the bottom of the tenth.


Closers are a myth.


Well they aren't really a myth if they exist. I know where you are going with your comment though.
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Posted: 2/22/2012 8:32 AM
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Closers are a myth.
Moreover, pitching specialists in general, which lead to frequent mound visits and changes, are near the top of the list of things that are killing baseball as a spectator sport.

I could go on and on but I'm sure you don't want me to.  The point is, yes, mthyical.  Why should a college or even HS hurler be pigeon-holed like that?
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Posted: 2/23/2012 4:58 PM
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I see that we are lacking a closer. It is a shame that they fought so hard to take the lead in the top of the tenth only to blow it in the bottom of the tenth.


Closers are a myth.


Why?
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Posted: 2/23/2012 5:28 PM
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I see that we are lacking a closer. It is a shame that they fought so hard to take the lead in the top of the tenth only to blow it in the bottom of the tenth.


Closers are a myth.


Why?


The numbers tell the story (Bill James did the research and Joe Posnanski has mentioned it a few times in his writing): "Closers" have had zero bearing on a team's chances of winning. The odds of winning with a lead in the ninth inning are the same now as they were 60 years ago.

I'm not saying there isn't value in a bullpen ace of sorts. But what situation needs it more: The beginning of an inning or with two runners on and one out?
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Posted: 2/23/2012 5:51 PM
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But that also presumes all other factors are the same.  e.g., "offense" now plays a lot more righty/lefty match-ups where as 60 years ago pinch hitting was less common.
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Posted: 2/24/2012 8:22 AM
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With no data to support me, i would argue that pinch-hitting for pinch-hitting's sake was and is a relatively constant factor.  Before the DH rule (another plague on the game) pitching changes were automatic pinch hitting opportunities.  Maybe that got recorded as substituion and not a pinch hitter.  The very existence of the DH rule eliminates the need for situational picth hitting in an entire league.  With the DH, if pinch hitting is still trending up, that's truly amazing - and a blessing for all those fourth and fifth outfielders.
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